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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Or just LEAVE IT AS IT IS? And not spend anything because of stupid system?
    So you wouldn't upgrade your legendary to rank 5? That means this is even less of an issue because you don't care about your characters power so getting a shard of domination wouldn't impact your legendary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    1. This "whole new system" are just 9 new gems, from which 5 are your bis and you don't care about others. They drops only in SoD, so bonus from them is not as important in M+/PVP? <- that thing I completely don't know, but didn't notice big drama from M+/PVP players
    The 3-socket bonus doesn't work in M+ nor PvP but the individual shards still work.

    For instance, the Unholy Shard of Dyz [Damaging a target increases your damage done to that target by X% for 4 sec, stacking up to 3 times (X% based on rank of shard)] still works in all content but the 3-socket unholy bonus (Chaos Bane) only works in Torghast, Maw or Sanctum Raid.

    The actual gem effect is still a power gain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    2. All raiders will try to craft rank 5 and later 6 legendary asap. Scrap that, all people that care about their power in general.
    Also because of the amount of soul cinders you need to grind for at rank 6 (which is 4 weeks) will also yield about 5.4k soul ash. So even if you needed to craft a rank 6 for a new slot versus upgrading an existing slot to rank 6, you would have already gathered the required soul ash amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    3. Is it safe to say you will get rank 5 legendary before you get 5th domination gem?
    Very dependent on how "lucky" you would need to be in raids. Remember, you can get 1 domination socket armor from the new rep vendor at Honored for 2k stygia. So you only need to get 2~4 sockets from the raid. Additionally, at least one of the shards drops from the new world boss.

    Also depends on weekly vault. It's entirely possible that you could get "lucky" and get a piece via vault on the week LFR/Mythic opens.
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  3. #303
    Im just malding over the -80% Soul Ash on subsequent Torghast runs...
    Blizzard: You can farm soul ashe endlessly! Yayyyyy
    disclaimer: at 80% reduced speed

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    Now i just need to do 10 Torghast runs to make as much as i did on both the first runs <3 i love you blizzard <3


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Or just LEAVE IT AS IT IS? And not spend anything because of stupid system?
    You're still spending gold on buying the base legendary item for rank 5/rank 6. You still need X amount of Soul Cinders from Torghast and non-Torghast activities (if you wanted to be efficient).

    The only real costs are soul ash and missives. And in reality soul ash is a non-factor because you gain enough soul ash while you're farming soul cinders from Torghast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antontein View Post
    Dude, keep the toxic garbage in your head and do not spread it to us.
    How is this "toxic garbage"

    The part where people need to recraft

    Or that he is unhappy with it?
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  6. #306
    Because 1. you are not forced.
    Do you have a full set of BIS gear in season 1?
    If so, then you will expect to have to retool your gear in season 2.
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    2. what else are you going to do with your soul ash?

    This is actually a good decision for the game. Its clear that the legendary system has some flaws, and them pushing players to craft even more legendaries when players haven't thought about them in months helps everyone, especially those doing the crafting of the white items.

    You also do not have to worry about this immediately.
    By the time you would have collected 3 domination slots and your bonus slot, you would have plenty of soul ash.

    Don't forget, the changes to Torghast come this week, where as Mythic raid doesn't open for another 2 after it.
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  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Roanda View Post
    Im just malding over the -80% Soul Ash on subsequent Torghast runs...
    Blizzard: You can farm soul ashe endlessly! Yayyyyy
    disclaimer: at 80% reduced speed

    Blizzard is so loving and caring
    Now i just need to do 10 Torghast runs to make as much as i did on both the first runs <3 i love you blizzard <3
    You get 100% more soul ash from your torghast runs.. You literally need only 4 runs to craft a r4 legendary on a fresh alt. This is done in 2 days.. For what do you need to grind torghast endlessly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hey There Guys its Metro View Post
    Because 1. you are not forced.
    Do you have a full set of BIS gear in season 1?
    If so, then you will expect to have to retool your gear in season 2.
    and
    2. what else are you going to do with your soul ash?

    This is actually a good decision for the game. Its clear that the legendary system has some flaws, and them pushing players to craft even more legendaries when players haven't thought about them in months helps everyone, especially those doing the crafting of the white items.

    You also do not have to worry about this immediately.
    By the time you would have collected 3 domination slots and your bonus slot, you would have plenty of soul ash.

    Don't forget, the changes to Torghast come this week, where as Mythic raid doesn't open for another 2 after it.
    Crafting a legendary on my realm is half a token worth of gold. For a lot of players, that's a lot. Not to mention this could have been easily avoided....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Doesn't fresh crafted white items in 9.1 come with socket? It means upgrading to 5/6 = legendary piece with socket.
    Yes, upgrading your legendaries or crafting new ones in 9.1 gives them a socket if they are in a "socket slot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    Problem doesn't exist:

    Leggos get new ranks > new ranks require new currency called cinders > you purchase the rank 5 legendary piece of your choice with no socket interference > you can craft a rank 5 without first crafting rank 1,2,3,4 as long as you have the new currency > no downside.
    This is exactly what I've been talking about √
    But people are too incompetent to understand.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Clozer View Post
    You get 100% more soul ash from your torghast runs.. You literally need only 4 runs to craft a r4 legendary on a fresh alt. This is done in 2 days.. For what do you need to grind torghast endlessly?
    Rank 4 is 5,150 Soul Ash

    I want to make legendaries to unlock new playstyles. (tank and DPS)
    When Blizzard tells you can farm Soul Ash endlessly...ok...but im not farming at 80% reduced speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Just how hard is to understand that this problem is very much real because

    you could just LEAVE THE DAMNED LEGGO alone only if there would be no overlap with new socket system.

    And funny part is that this hits waaaay harder casual players than tryhards.

    Because your average joe wouldn't be spending any gold on upgrading leggos, they would be fine with what they have.

    Now scenarios:

    Average joe goes normal raid, gets a new piece of gear that is the same slot as his leggo ->
    A. Spend gold (at the beginning those will be damn expensive) to recraft legendary
    B. Keep the new piece in bags hoping prices will go down (because leggo is still more powerful unless blizzard "balances" it)

    And now imagine if this new piece would be his 3rd one to complete the bonus
    Again, if you care about being min max and you are really that mad over being unable to use a gem that increases your damage by 1.5% in what world are you not also min max enough to upgrade your legendaries.

    You are creating this idea of the playerbase that is illogical and does not exist.
    Players that care an extreme amount about damage, to the point 1.5% is game breaking, but at the same time do not care about damage given by upgrading their legendary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roanda View Post
    Rank 4 is 5,150 Soul Ash

    I want to make legendaries to unlock new playstyles. (tank and DPS)
    When Blizzard tells you can farm Soul Ash endlessly...ok...but im not farming at 80% reduced speed.
    It's technically more like 60%
    Cause they also increased the amount gained baseline by 50%
    But u less you literally want all your legendaries right away, you don't need to farm it, just do the weeklies.

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by Roanda View Post
    Rank 4 is 5,150 Soul Ash

    I want to make legendaries to unlock new playstyles. (tank and DPS)
    When Blizzard tells you can farm Soul Ash endlessly...ok...but im not farming at 80% reduced speed.
    And you haven't made those legendaries by now? You had over 7 months...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    Ok, I will quote you not know what the fuck you're talking about.



    Sums up your 'arguments'.
    Yeah, it's literally only a 1.5% damage increase MAX as you have to keep the buff up, which takes a few bits and if you stop you have to reapply it. So it will end up being a tiny bit less but.

    It's only a 1.5% damage increase, so I am not going to be too worried about it. If it drops I will use it, if it does not I won't care, I will be crafting a new legendary at rank 5 of 6, which means it literally costs me nothing it wouldn't have cost me to just upgrade my current one, especially as I'm at 10k soul ash right now.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Clozer View Post
    And you haven't made those legendaries by now? You had over 7 months...
    I have like...a lot vast majority VERY weak (190 ilvl)

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So you wouldn't upgrade your legendary to rank 5? That means this is even less of an issue because you don't care about your characters power so getting a shard of domination wouldn't impact your legendary.
    Another joke. Not a funny one. Read scenario again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Again, if you care about being min max and you are really that mad over being unable to use a gem that increases your damage by 1.5% in what world are you not also min max enough to upgrade your legendaries.

    You are creating this idea of the playerbase that is illogical and does not exist.
    Players that care an extreme amount about damage, to the point 1.5% is game breaking, but at the same time do not care about damage given by upgrading their legendary.

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    It's technically more like 60%
    Cause they also increased the amount gained baseline by 50%
    But u less you literally want all your legendaries right away, you don't need to farm it, just do the weeklies.
    Dude please, stop, get some help.

    You are telling people to not use massive upgrades when they drop or cash out 100k+ gold in order to do so.
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  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Yes, upgrading your legendaries or crafting new ones in 9.1 gives them a socket if they are in a "socket slot"

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    This is exactly what I've been talking about √
    But people are too incompetent to understand.
    The actual problem is people don't enjoy torghast and just want to ignore it as content.

    Blizzard needs to stop parading their failures around by giving them unique currencies and let them live or die by their own merits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Another joke. Not a funny one. Read scenario again.

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    Dude please, stop, get some help.

    You are telling people to not use massive upgrades when they drop or cash out 100k+ gold in order to do so.
    They are not "massive upgrades" by that logic literally every slot has "massive upgrades" so you literally can't even wear a legendary, because every slot has BIS gear.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    They are not "massive upgrades" by that logic literally every slot has "massive upgrades" so you literally can't even wear a legendary, because every slot has BIS gear.
    Sure dude because +20 ilvl on top of magic socket is not massive upgrade. Honestly how can people even defend this garbage system is beyond me.

    How about you remove every item you get in patch 9.1?
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  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzonathan View Post
    Which ones? Domination or regular gems?
    Regular.

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  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Sure dude because +20 ilvl on top of magic socket is not massive upgrade. Honestly how can people even defend this garbage system is beyond me.

    How about you remove every item you get in patch 9.1?
    It by definition is not if it forces you to unequip your legendary. That's no different than now choosing the legendary helmet, making a 190, and getting a "massive upgrade" from heroic Nath (in your words) helmet that you can't use......because you know legendary.

    And then you run into the same problem of having to upgrade...or recraft.

    It's an annoying feature, but honestly it's not worth the garment rending levels of frustration and outrage you're letting steal hours of your day. And if you have any alts I'm just going with my plan of doing my weekly run and funneling all the ash to one character. If I'm wrong about that then I'm still only mildly more annoyed.

    Unless you're the world's luckiest player who gets full heroic Sanctum gear the first week you're going to be at worst mildly inconvenience by having to farm some extra soul ash and just craft the legendary at rank 5 or 6 outright. You'll still have to buy the piece like always. It's literally just extra soul ash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    It by definition is not if it forces you to unequip your legendary. That's no different than now choosing the legendary helmet, making a 190, and getting a "massive upgrade" from heroic Nath (in your words) helmet that you can't use......because you know legendary.

    And then you run into the same problem of having to upgrade...or recraft.

    It's an annoying feature, but honestly it's not worth the garment rending levels of frustration and outrage you're letting steal hours of your day. And if you have any alts I'm just going with my plan of doing my weekly run and funneling all the ash to one character. If I'm wrong about that then I'm still only mildly more annoyed.

    Unless you're the world's luckiest player who gets full heroic Sanctum gear the first week you're going to be at worst mildly inconvenience by having to farm some extra soul ash and just craft the legendary at rank 5 or 6 outright. You'll still have to buy the piece like always. It's literally just extra soul ash.
    So you are ok with garbage implementation because it "could be worse".

    "its literally just 100k gold per leggo"
    "its literally just some soul ash"

    You don't need to be world unluckiest player to get a piece that happens to be in same slot as legendary. It doesn't have to be full set, just one is a problem because you can't equip it until you cash out.
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