Russia is threating the UK??

[Shalcker]

It wasn't just the UK there but a multinational flotilla, the US and Dutch had warships very close by too. Russia are probably just upset the UK will sell warships to Ukraine.

Yes, selling your old warships on your own credit line is time-honored tradition.

Fully expect one of next Ukrainian governments to stop paying that loan citing corruption allegations.

[Specialka]

Since the moment Crimea joined Russia, duh.

If you want to add war for Crimea to C19 then you don't need to arrange provocations around it.

You mean joined after a vote not recognized by international community ? Thus those water are ukrainian.

[Slant]

Wait wait wait.. So they get in a jiffy over people in Crim's waters, that they claim is theirs - so their waters?

Meanwhile, Russia has been breaching Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, and Danish airspace the past few weeks with military crafts to the point where the Danish and Swedish airforce had to send jets out on frequent patrols to chase away Russian aircraft.

So, that is a bit of a joke..

No, that's actually how its been during the entire cold war. It never stopped. You're just learning about this because the summer is kinda slow, nobody gives a shit about Covid anymore, it's all depressing and shit and the paper has to print something...

It's a bit of a non-story, tbh.

[Crispin]

Even though UK ship was thousand miles away from her own shores, it still Russia that threatens UK and NATO.

Holy shit, NATO have bases in allied countries, how dare they!!!1

There’s a reason why those countries are looking for nato protection

[Shalcker]

You mean joined after a vote not recognized by international community ? Thus those water are ukrainian.

Either way it's premeditated provocation by UK.

You are free to think trolling with warships is fine as long as you admit this isn't Russia escalating the situation - all Russia does here is defending status quo.

Just like in previous case with detained Ukrainian warboats.

[Specialka]

Either way it's premeditated provocation by UK.

You are free to think trolling with warships is fine as long as you admit this isn't Russia escalating the situation - all Russia does here is defending status quo.

Just like in previous case with detained Ukrainian warboats.

Why do I have to admit anything ? This is not russian waters, hence there should be no russia warships around there. So yes, it is russia excalating the situation by its mere presence. And this is a :"I got you" moment.

[Slant]

Holy shit, NATO have bases in allied countries, how dare they!!!1

There’s a reason why those countries are looking for nato protection

It's funny how all those countries asking for NATO help are around Russia or have been ex-Soviet states. Look how Africa just doesn't give a shit about NATO.

[Pann]

Either way it's premeditated provocation by UK.

You are free to think trolling with warships is fine as long as you admit this isn't Russia escalating the situation - all Russia does here is defending status quo.

Just like in previous case with detained Ukrainian warboats.

Maybe they were lost on their way to the cathedral...

Defending the status quo

[Shalcker]

Why do I have to admit anything ? This is not russian waters, hence there should be no russia warships around there. So yes, it is russia excalating the situation by its mere presence. And this is a :"I got you" moment.

"Russia escalating situation by existing" is not how escalation works. There is no active conflict. "Escalation" is about changing conflict state - something clearly done by UK here, not Russia.

It clearly was intended to be televised for domestic UK audience as "UK stronk! Can poke not-so-scary Russian bear!", not to drive Russia out of Crimea.

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Maybe they were lost on their way to the cathedral...

Defending the status quo

Yes, clearly UK is lost in modern world.

[Specialka]

"Russia escalating situation by existing" is not how escalation works. There is no active conflict. "Escalation" is about changing conflict state - something clearly done by UK here, not Russia.

It clearly was intended to be televised for domestic UK audience as "UK stronk! Can poke not-so-scary Russian bear!", not to drive Russia out of Crimea.

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Yes, clearly UK is lost in modern world.

UK was just passing through ukrainian water, so what is the big deal ? Maybe you can explain to us why the russia warships were there though ?

And I must say, if it is truly for UK consumption, we must trust the russian guys, as they really know how to do that kind of stuff.

[Shalcker]

UK was just passing through ukrainian water, so what is the big deal ? Maybe you can explain to us why the russia warships were there though ?

"The big deal" is UK fishing for potential military escalation while trying to gain domestic political points.

Every poke makes it more likely, and UK leadership haven't shown enough foresight to understand where the real line is.

[Specialka]

"The big deal" is UK fishing for potential military escalation while trying to gain domestic political points.

Every poke makes it more likely, and UK leadership haven't shown enough foresight to understand where the real line is.

Russia sure knows a lot about "fishing for potential military escalation while trying to gain domestic political points".

[Lochton]

No, that's actually how its been during the entire cold war. It never stopped. You're just learning about this because the summer is kinda slow, nobody gives a shit about Covid anymore, it's all depressing and shit and the paper has to print something...

It's a bit of a non-story, tbh.

Actually, on the part of my comment, not so much. They've only recently retried sneaking in on Danish airspace after about a half a year break.

[Theodarzna]

Even though UK ship was thousand miles away from her own shores, it still Russia that threatens UK and NATO.

No see, the USA does it because the USA is good guy team, like Captain Ironman in that movie! Russia is bad because they talk funny and the CIA said so.

/s

[Kallisto]

It's funny how all those countries asking for NATO help are around Russia or have been ex-Soviet states. Look how Africa just doesn't give a shit about NATO.

I also wonder how many of those in the central Asian republics even exist anymore since they were built with Russian help due to actions in Afghanistan due to 9/11 and thus not really needed (hell the leaders are mostly pro-russian). I think this meme is basically from before the Arab spring as well. That's how old and out of date and wrong it is.

[alkyd]

I also wonder how many of those in the central Asian republics even exist anymore since they were built with Russian help due to actions in Afghanistan due to 9/11 and thus not really needed (hell the leaders are mostly pro-russian). I think this meme is basically from before the Arab spring as well. That's how old and out of date and wrong it is.

Google maps still show the Central Asian republics are there. It must be out of date.

[Slant]

I also wonder how many of those in the central Asian republics even exist anymore since they were built with Russian help due to actions in Afghanistan due to 9/11 and thus not really needed (hell the leaders are mostly pro-russian). I think this meme is basically from before the Arab spring as well. That's how old and out of date and wrong it is.

Russia has never cared for historical accuracy or minor things like "facts" and "truth".

[Kotuthan]

It was a pure "Russia stong" move by the Russians to show the world that they still have something that floats that does not give it Sailors tetanus.

The Russians spooffed the AIS (Automatic Identification System) data to make it appear as if the Defender and HNLMS Evertsen as sailing straight for the Russian naval base in Sevastopol. When in reality the ships were not even in that area.

They then decided to shift into full propaganda mode and pretended that their "firing excericse" were warning shots.

It would be funny if it were not so sad.

[Easo]

Reading both side comments here and laughing. Russia doing chestbeating about how they forced the change of course (50/50, debatable) and UK claiming nothing was done, including no shots (which is false, Russians did fire warning shots. There is, however, no video of bombs being dropped so that might be false).
Then the usual claims of how much Russia sucks military wise or how superior a single destroyer is.

[Kellhound]

Where would you consider "close enough"?

"Threat to security" is the usual argument; it doesn't have to be argued as noone but state itself can decide what kind of security it needs.

As you see from BBC footage British were preparing in case they would actually get shot at (or bombed).

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No, it's exact same "UK stronk!" made in different words.

How exactly do you see "I think it was wholly appropriate to use international waters, and, by the way, the important point is that we don’t recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea" any differently? :/

Why would that be important if it wasn't for UK provocation?
What could "passage" be but provocative action to support such position?

Just look at their footage:

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Some top comments from BBC video:

• British warships dont often sail in russian waters, but when they do there is a bbc journalist onboard...
• British warship armament: -ammunition -large guns -a bbc journalist -sailors
• This is the military equivalent of filming yourself putting your hand on a hot surface for 5 seconds in order to show everyone how tough you are.
• Luckily the Royal Navy carries a bbc reporter on every ship otherwise no one would know.
• Britain just wanted attention. Imagine having a bbc journalist onboard and everything is recorded. What a stage
• Commander Owen - as you should know - "international shipping lanes" are for cargo and passenger ships. And you are not captain of RMS "Titanic". Warships are not allowed to enter territorial waters without permission of that country.

Close enough? Less than 3 miles or so.

To declare a ship involved in innocent passage as a threat, one has to articulate what portion of the law it is in violation of. "We don't want you to sail through here" does not actually cut it.

Had the RN decided the Su-24s were an actual threat, Russia's air force would be down a few Fencers in a manner of seconds.

The BBC in there because of the importance of the carrier deployment.

You are wrong, warships CAN enter territorial waters without permission when performing innocent passage. Russia has even agreed that is true.

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Since the moment Crimea joined Russia, duh.

If you want to add war for Crimea to C19 then you don't need to arrange provocations around it.

Crimea belongs to Ukraine legally. Hardly anyone agrees it belongs to Russia.

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Either way it's premeditated provocation by UK.

You are free to think trolling with warships is fine as long as you admit this isn't Russia escalating the situation - all Russia does here is defending status quo.

Just like in previous case with detained Ukrainian warboats.

The provocation here is Russia's theft of Ukrainian territory....