Florida passes bill asking students to disclose political affiliation

[Beefhammer]

When you learn about science and history you end up as a liberal.

It's even simpler than that. When one is taught to think, they typically end up liberal.

[cubby]

Are they gonna make them wear little badges or patches, so they can be readily identified? Like a little red star for communists? And maybe a yellow star for Jewi . . .

Golly willikers, Florida. Looks like you're going Nazi again.

While this law won't pass muster, it's horrifying that our Nazi-Governor-in-Waiting is actively pushing for these laws.

[Theodarzna]

The entire premise is ludicrous, have you dealt with any teenagers in your life? Do you think it matters what your professor believes in unless the subject is political science?

Not as much as you, you've got a lot of knowledge on young adults and the school system so I'll defer to you on this topic.

The facts are people grow up and form opinion different from their parents. This shit reminds me of my parents who blame college for me not hating gay people. The reality was I just made friends with some and they were not the monsters they portrayed them to be.

The right wing wants their kids to not grow up and form independent thought. It's ludicrous and hypocritical beyond words, your kids are not your clones.

Right, this is why it is very important we have state funded institutions and ensure a different perspective is taught. Both in the compulsory k/12 school system and in the borderline compulsory if you ever want to make much money college system.

[uuuhname]

just say you're an anarcho-Satanist and watch their heads explode. seems like some Conservative virtue signaling. because I don't see what the point is ultimately with this, and since a deranged nutter like DeSantis approved it, it can't be anything good.

[cubby]

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE FLORIDA! Let me guess when teaching the perils of Totalitarianism DeSantis is just going to have them skimp over that oh so insignificant moment in history during the 1930's-1945 in Germany so they can really hammer home Communism and Socialism over and over again. Would hate to anger one of DeSantis core followers in the Nazis. Oh wait I know, while they skimp over that totally forgettable totalitarian government in Germany they will definitely make sure to hammer into the kids that Socialism was in the ruling parties name so they know SOCIALISM IS BAD! Nothing fights the supposed indoctrination of kids like indoctrinating them in your preferred indoctrination.

It will be even worse, because the Nazi party was officially called the National Socialist German Worker's Party. The GQP will link "liberal socialism" to the Nazi party and claim the libruls are trying to bring back Hitler.

[Rozz]

This is a terrible idea and doesn't even make sense in practice. This isn't going shift reality because politicians are afraid of the educated. They don't even listen to educated conservatives.

[Ashleyxoxo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...culty-be%3famp

In what DeSantis says is an effort to promote "diverse thought", the Florida bill that makes students and faculty disclose their political affiliation sounds more like a supreme court case waiting to happen. Many have even stated that it's a bill needed to stop "liberal indoctrination".

There have been suggestions that universities who lean too far in one direction will get funding cut.

Universities are already a very diverse center of thought where people debate beliefs and verify what can be verified. This sounds more like an effort to justify cutting university funding and/or jam pack the departments with counter-factual minded faculty.

Researchers professors and students are already selected on merit of their knowledge. It just so happens that most universities are very progressively minded by virtue of those who seek knowledge and higher education being more progressive.

I realize conservatives are shitting their pants over becoming a waning political party in the wake of Trump, but this, the voter suppression Bills, and others are just the desperate cries.

Academics like to act like they're progressive, but their desire for prestige is very capitalist. They compete to get in academic publications and are wary of having their ideas stolen. Capitalist environment.

[Edge-]

Are they gonna make them wear little badges or patches, so they can be readily identified? Like a little red star for communists? And maybe a yellow star for Jewi . . .

Golly willikers, Florida. Looks like you're going Nazi again.

Pretty much this. There's no way this should hold up to any First Amendment challenge. The state has no business regulating the political views/ideologies of teachers and students.

[Stormspellz]

I'd love to find one conservative that can explain the train of thought that leads to liberal indoctrination.

"reality has a liberal bias"

[Draco-Onis]

Right, this is why it is very important we have state funded institutions and ensure a different perspective is taught. Both in the compulsory k/12 school system and in the borderline compulsory if you ever want to make much money college system.

But there is no different perspective to everything, should we be teaching flat earth theory in classes now?

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Academics like to act like they're progressive, but their desire for prestige is very capitalist. They compete to get in academic publications and are wary of having their ideas stolen. Capitalist environment.

In what planet is progressivism against capitalism? Progressivism means regulated capitalism.

[Bakis]

If this was a sane idea howcome its not commonplace in states already?
Cos its a fucking retarded Orwell idea.
Simply a tool to know what schools need a cut in funding untill they are in line with the "true" North Korean GOP thinking.

[Theodarzna]

But there is no different perspective to everything, should we be teaching flat earth theory in classes now?

Probably not, though I'd probably ask, are parents and tax payers allowed to have a say or oversight in what is being taught via their money and in relation to the k/12 system input on what the compulsory state funded school system teaches?

As for different perspective? I mean, how far does this necessarily go?

[Egomaniac]

Probably not, though I'd probably ask, are parents and tax payers allowed to have a say or oversight in what is being taught via their money and in relation to the k/12 system input on what the compulsory state funded school system teaches?

I would think that is the supposed purpose of the school board.

[Edge-]

I would think that is the supposed purpose of the school board.

That's why you have to replace the whole school board with PATRIOTS(tm) to ensure that children get a PATRIOTIC EDUCATION(tm)

[Theodarzna]

Academics like to act like they're progressive, but their desire for prestige is very capitalist. They compete to get in academic publications and are wary of having their ideas stolen. Capitalist environment.

Yeah, one thing that gets lost is despite people like Jordan Peterson and stuff calling this stuff "Marxism" most of it is the opposite of it.

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I would think that is the supposed purpose of the school board.

Colleges too, unless they are completely private with no connections to the federal DoE, also receive taxpayer funding.

[Edge-]

Academics like to act like they're progressive, but their desire for prestige is very capitalist. They compete to get in academic publications and are wary of having their ideas stolen. Capitalist environment.

Because that's the game they have to play. They can't just ignore reality, and needing to have published papers for their jobs at universities means that they're going to publish papers and claim credit so they can maintain their employment. So yes, people will act like capitalists, to a point, in a capitalist economy when their jobs rely on it. This is not, and should not be surprising.

[Bakis]

Right, this is why it is very important we have state funded institutions and ensure a different perspective is taught.

There are only two options to a belif survey question its either YES/NO.
It is also a question that is subjective.
Both options are included in classes about history and religion etc. already.

There is also no reason for the betterment of education to know the answer to this question.
It is so blatantly obvious that it is proposed based on an agenda that has nothing to do with education.
And it is not hard to guess what it is either.

Edit: this post is not towards the posters overall post, hence not including the full post/name.
Reason for my post is that the GOP been leaning on the above argument when it is:

A: not an issue because it's already covered wether one is a believer or not and its "subsections" different religious beliefs.
B: it's subjective, there is no right or wrong (in fact the question itself is the oldest critical thinking excercise there is)
C: It is a highly personal question, if anonymous or not doesn't matter. A survey among adults fine, youngster is bullshit.
There is a smorgorsboard of potential reasons of how and why it could be influensed by outside factors.

Ironically.. most people including many youngsters doing such a survey will understand that the point of it is non-existent from a curricularly point of view. And given that understanding it inherently becomes a question that is influenced to a large degree of 'What is best to answer' thus proving merit of such a question as moot.
In my view only meant to control public funding and stear the curriculum into a direction of the party in power at the moment.

[Theodarzna]

There are only two options to a belif survey question its either YES/NO.
It is also a question that is subjective.
Both options are included in classes about history and religion etc. already.

There is also no reason for the betterment of education to know the answer to this question.
It is so blatantly obvious that it is proposed based on an agenda that has nothing to do with education.
And it is not hard to guess what it is either.

Polling students opinions is kind of pointless. It would be more useful to poll teachers perspectives and to start far earlier with the k/12 system and the teacher colleges in the state.

I mean if the concern is that Teachers are using their position of power to politically indoctrinate and preach some ideology or religion, than really students aren't your problem, its teachers and what the teacher schools are churning out.

[Grapemask]

Conservatives have the weirdest idea of what schools are like. Which is very strange, because most of the ones passing these bills went to school, so they know they're full of shit. It's absolutely virtue signaling.

It's even funnier because it's not liberal indoctrination that's shouted from the rooftops at these schools. No one ever walks up to you and hands you a Communist Manifesto. You know who you have to deal with everywhere you go on a college campus? Fucking rightwing nutjobs. You can't walk five steps without running into someone screaming "ABORTION IS MURDER" and "GOD HATES ALL SINNERS AND YOU GUYS ARE THE SINNERS" into a megaphone. You sit down in any public area, and someone's going to come up to you at least once to try to hand you a bible or to get you to come their ultra-conservative crazy town group. The liberals mostly keep to themselves.

[Beefhammer]

Are they gonna make them wear little badges or patches, so they can be readily identified? Like a little red star for communists? And maybe a yellow star for Jewi . . .

Golly willikers, Florida. Looks like you're going Nazi again.

While horrifying thinking it could be possible, I wouldn't be opposed to tattooing a picture of Trumps little penis across the face of all his supporters.

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Conservatives have the weirdest idea of what schools are like. Which is very strange, because most of the ones passing these bills went to school, so they know they're full of shit. It's absolutely virtue signaling.

It's even funnier because it's not liberal indoctrination that's shouted from the rooftops at these schools. No one ever walks up to you and hands you a Communist Manifesto. You know who you have to deal with everywhere you go on a college campus? Fucking rightwing nutjobs. You can't walk five steps without running into someone screaming "ABORTION IS MURDER" and "GOD HATES ALL SINNERS AND YOU GUYS ARE THE SINNERS" into a megaphone. You sit down in any public area, and someone's going to come up to you at least once to try to hand you a bible or to get you to come their ultra-conservative crazy town group. The liberals mostly keep to themselves.

It's always about projection with those assholes.