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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post


    I already said it the moment I watched this cinematic:

    "Gee, I sure am glad I'm not paying a 'dirty weeb game like FF14" :^)
    High five!

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Sylvanas: I'm gonna kill my sisters so we can all be undead together.
    Also Sylvanas: My boytoy is dead. Boo hoo hoo
    Sylvanas is such a great and consistently written character.
    I LOVE MY QUEEN.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post

    Any Nelf fans still in the battle will probably eat it up, just to have something.
    They might get the feeling of troll fans now, the most abused race of all XD

  4. #204
    Wow, she was kind of badass for, like, ten whole seconds before faceplanting once again. You can feel the wrath and vengeance of her people and goddess, and you can feel how little of a fuck the writers give about any of it.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    They might get the feeling of troll fans now, the most abused race of all XD
    I'd argue Trolls, Night Elves, Tauren, Gnomes and Dwarves all kinda get that stick. Draenei more or less too.

    Some races get screwed by getting no attention at all, others get screwed by only getting negative attention, like being glorified punching bags.

    I think none of it is preferable, although I personally (so subjectively) would probably prefer irrelevance over shameful relevance.

  6. #206
    If she can’t beat sylvanas without the borrowed power of a god, she is unworthy of doing so

    That was Elune’s judgement.. tyrande was not worthy of killing sylvanas

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by geco View Post
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    I'm useless as far as we know. But she did something and she didn't look stupid. Apart from the interesting thing about Nathanos.
    But at least her plot no longer counts as a kick in the Eggs.
    Step from 3/10 to 6/10.
    This is actually quite cool, Tyrande gets quite cool here, I actually thought she was very cool... - but there is no way Danuser would let Sylvanas lose.. but at least Tyrande looked more than a match for her with the full power of the night warrior.

    Interesting.
    Valewalker Farodin: "Magic has long been a vice of the elves. It shaped us, and lifted us out of the darkness - but without balance, it also threatens to unmake us."

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  8. #208
    "And though justice demands that she dies for her crimes, only she can save us"

    - Zeratul Elune

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainV View Post
    Imma come out and say it, bluntly even:

    Sylvanas is a mary sue, and has been since Legion.

    Her bargain with Helya left brutally obscure till now, the stupid crap with Genn vs Sylvanas where she nearly kills Genn but he manages to do what, temporarily set her back?

    It was a precursor to everything in BFA.

    Sylvanas destroys Teldrassil, no consequences.

    Sylvanas denies the Alliance a victory by plaguing Undercity, Baine gets mad but doesnt do shit.

    Sylvanas commits countless war crimes, nearly everyone around her notices shes a danger to people and yet they do -nothing- to stop her.

    Sylvanas kills Saurfang, the legendary warrior of the Horde in a way designed to engineer him as weaker than her through her magic and trickery. An expected outcome, but his injury to her is, a very tiny cut to the edge of her eye?

    Sylvanas fights Bolvar, who has the crown of domination, a device literally meant to break the will of undead and make them serve and somehow never employs it on one of the more powerful undead to force her to submit?

    Sylvanas escapes every consequence in every situation she is involved in, every time she is threatened the only thing that ever hurts her even briefly is "Muh emotions" which absoleutley is a god aweful plot twist no matter how you look at it.

    Even as far back as Cataclysm she goes against Garrosh and tries to plague Gilneas which she succeeds in doing, in a form.

    Ultimatley there is not a single time Sylvanas is in danger, peril, at risk of death or in any form of mortal danger that could be permanently damaging to her life in the story.

    Even ANDUIN freaking DIED at one point.

    The only time this ever happens, the ONLY time, is when a random NPC in Cata shoots her in the back when shes dunking on Darius Crowley, of all the times shes in peril its one where ironic comedy is invovled.

    And yet the Val'kyr just raise her anyway so it doesnt matter, even if it cost them their lives shes still got more.
    Genn completely ruined her plans to make the Forsaken and herself immortal (which arguably set her on the path of siding with the Jailer for good, as the plan she had in Legion makes the later plans rather redundant) and she didn't kill Genn. He's the Mary Sue here. Sylvanas showed time and time again that despite trying to appear as someone who's above emotions she lashes out in anger when someone fucks her over. Yet Genn did just that and she just stood there like a moron. Even though her arrows were poisoned to the point Genn lost consciousness and had to be hauled out by other Worgen, being completely defenseless in the meantime. The only reason he's still alive is because the writers wanted him to remain alive, no matter how much of a plot contrivance they had to achieve that result.

    Teldrassil escalated the war to a global conflict. And even though she did want a global conflict thanks to her Jailer-related shenanigans as we learned later on, her inner monologues in A Good War showed that she had to act on the spot thanks to Saurfang's treason and escalated things earlier than she wanted to.

    As for Undercity, that's just one giant pile of Alliance plot armor. As per the naval balance of powers after the events of Legion established five seconds earlier in the aforementioned A Good War, the Horde had a bit of an edge in terms of naval strength, to the point that according to Saurfang they could defeat the Alliance navy even if they brought the battle to Stormwind (but wouldn't have enough transport ships to move an army large enough to properly besiege the city), where the Alliance would have the advantage of their shoreline artillery, spell-casters and the like. Here things were the other way around and it was Horde fighting on home turf. Yet the Alliance still managed to land just fine. AND transport an army large enough for a siege, even though Lordaeron is more defensible than Stormwind and would have required a larger force for a full scale assault like what the Alliance tried.

    And then when they were just about to get wiped out by the Blight Jaina, who didn't coordinate with anyone, appeared with her magical ship just at the right moment to save the day. And then when she made a breach in the wall and Anduin stormed the breach, he got confronted by Lor'themar and Nathanos. With more Blight. That almost wiped them out a minute before. So did Anduin die? Nope. Alleria saved the day by warping in with Gelbin. Except their arrival did nothing to actually counter the Blight. She didn't warp on top of the Blight tanks or anything. She just warped right next to Anduin. Which, if not for Alliance's plot armor the size of a small galaxy, means she only provided the Horde with more people to melt. But the Alliance did have the plot armor the size of a small galaxy, so they survived.

    Finally, Anduin's team of wonders got trapped with a Blight explosion large enough to demolish the city. Did the Alliance finally perish then? Nope again. Jaina pulled a magic shield against the Blight out of her ass, even though according to the previously established lore the only magic capable of defending against the Blight was Dreadlord magic. So either Blizzard was telling us something about the Jaina Dreadlord theory or they just put another layer of plot armor onto the Alliance there. And even though Jaina only shielded Anduin's posse and thousands in the city should have perished, the Alliance just shrugged that off.

    As for Horde's lack of reaction to Sylvanas, all of ex-Horde Anduin's bootlickers made it clear that while their hearts bleed at the mere thought of disobeying their god-boiking, the Horde itself actually supported the war. Meaning that they didn't exactly have a standing. As for Baine specifically, he established long ago that he has the balls to act only when he thinks he won't face consequences. He would have faced the consequences if he tried something against Sylvanas while she was standing right in front of him. And Saurfang even managing to scratch her eye at all happened only because she toyed with him. He never stood a chance.

    Besides, the very fact that Saurfang even got a chance to duel Sylvanas is just more Alliance plot armor (in this case also applying to Anduin's ass polyps that pretend to be Horde). Sylvanas agreed to a Mak'gora with Saurfang despite him having no standing to challenge her to one due to him being a traitor just because she "WaNtEd To SeE hIm SuFfEr". Except accepting the Mak'gora was in no way a necessary prerequisite for her to achieve that "goal". She could have easily made him suffer by killing his god-boiking and their force. And then she could have continued to torment him forever with necromancy. The duel happening at all was just yet another plot contrivance for the sake of the Alliance storyline.

    Finally, if the Helm of Domination was capable of re-enslaving the undead that broke away from the Lich King there would have never been Forsaken. Or Knights of the Ebon Blade, for that matter.

    As for Anduin, the only time he may have died was just now and even that isn't 100% certain. But if that's how he became Mournblade-wielder, that means he got resurrected by the Jailer moments later as well. So what's the difference between that and what happened in Silverpine?
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  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Xykotic View Post
    She ATTEMPTED to do something. But failed.

    So really, nothing happened. Nothing changed. If all actions lead to status quo, then have you really accomplished anything?
    Sadly so far he has not tried to do anything really useful or of his level.
    She obtains the powers ... but he does not use them to regain hers lands.
    She doesn't try to stop Azhara.
    Don't try to keep the war
    Kills Nathanos, which was not an achievement until now with these dialogues.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    If she can’t beat sylvanas without the borrowed power of a god, she is unworthy of doing so

    That was Elune’s judgement.. tyrande was not worthy of killing sylvanas
    Tyrande has always had Elune's power, that is what makes her so formidable, but then aren't priests and mages all wielding powers well beyond themselves.. ? druids too, it's not actually their power, they just learn to use it based on how tlaented they are.

    Sylvanas' power is coming form the Jailer remember,

    I thought that Elune doesn't intend Sylvans dead - either that or maybe Tyrande was crossing a point of no return, and Elune had to stop it.
    Valewalker Farodin: "Magic has long been a vice of the elves. It shaped us, and lifted us out of the darkness - but without balance, it also threatens to unmake us."

    My long replies often repeat info to make sure: You get all the info I have, It is clear and complete, in case you didn't actually read the first one. New readers have context at hand and are reminded of the point

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by cirdanx View Post
    If the Jailer/Maw is so desperate for powerful souls, why just blast Sadfang to death, just blast the rest of the leaders there as well and/or give order to attack. They said themselves they can´t win with their troops. There, all dead, war won and over.
    Also, the people who are so clever and walked straight into her trap at the battle for Lordaeron should be dead as well. Deus Ex Jaina should be, by all established lore, silenced by her Banshee scream and not be able to protect them. (and no, she isn´t that powerful) Would have fit the overall plan as well.
    Sylvanas could be dead at that point and that still wouldn't have changed anything. The only magic capable of protecting against the Blight is Dreadlord magic. Not even the Light could do it. So unless Jaina is indeed Mal'ganis (well, that would explain her power boost in BfA when previously "all of her might" was so pathetic that Thalen just shrugged it off), her shield there shouldn't have worked. Though as I pointed out above, the Alliance should have lost at Lordaeron long before that. Great points in the rest of your post as well.
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  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Tyrande has always had Elune's power, that is what makes her so formidable, but then aren't priests and mages all wielding powers well beyond themselves.. ? druids too, it's not actually their power, they just learn to use it based on how tlaented they are.

    Sylvanas' power is coming form the Jailer remember,

    I thought that Elune doesn't intend Sylvans dead - either that or maybe Tyrande was crossing a point of no return, and Elune had to stop it.
    She's used power, but never been a vessel. If you can't kill your opponent without literally channeling your god, you are UNWORTHY of that kill as it would have been ELUNE's kill, not Tyrande's. There's not glory or victory in that. Tyrande was deemed unworthy, but she also wouldn't let her die hence the dragon protecting her.

    Sylvanas power comes from basically being Shang Tsung in WoW. She maybe got a push from the jailer but she can do everything she's shown on her own too, she isn't a vessel for his power... Anduin is

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    She's used power, but never been a vessel. If you can't kill your opponent without literally channeling your god, you are UNWORTHY of that kill as it would have been ELUNE's kill, not Tyrande's. There's not glory or victory in that. Tyrande was deemed unworthy, but she also wouldn't let her die hence the dragon protecting her.
    Are you literally using your headcanon as a fact to explain why Tyrande lost her powers? Saying what Elune wants and doesn't want when we know next to nothing about her?

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    "And though justice demands that she dies for her crimes, only she can save us"

    - Zeratul Elune
    Rofl.....hehe.
    Valewalker Farodin: "Magic has long been a vice of the elves. It shaped us, and lifted us out of the darkness - but without balance, it also threatens to unmake us."

    My long replies often repeat info to make sure: You get all the info I have, It is clear and complete, in case you didn't actually read the first one. New readers have context at hand and are reminded of the point

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    right lmao?
    "oh nooo, shes using chains (again). who wouldve thought she could do that? and oh noooooo, shes flying away in banshee form (again). who wouldve thought she could do THAT?"
    They weren’t surprised by any of that. They were surprised that the main force that Sylvanas was leading wasn’t the threat; but, that she was the diversion which let Anduin sneak in and get the sigil.

  17. #217
    On a side note, I know what Tyrande's creepy eyebows remind me of. Asparagus that was colored with a black sharpie


    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Considering FFXIV is the "weeb game" I think Blizz figured Warcraft is not anime enough. Shame they want it to be more like Dragonball instead of an actually good Seinen series.
    They could still keep it shounen-themed and get a better inspiration. Dragon Ball is the bottom of the barrel regardless of whether you look at anime as a whole or even its own genre.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    "And though justice demands that she dies for her crimes, only she can save us"

    - Zeratul Elune
    OK, I must admit I was wrong a few weeks back. I wrote
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Nah, the Night Warrior storyline is pretty much perfect as it is. The only venue of upgrading it further is to have Tyrande learn about the amazing story bit of Sylvanas' soul being split by Frostmourne. After which she'd apologize Sylvanas for judging her too harshly while not having all of the information and then ask Elune to turn her into a Blood Elf so she could atone for that.
    but it turns out this story can be improved even further by openly ripping off Kerrigan's and mixing that in here.
    Last edited by Mehrunes; 2021-06-30 at 01:31 PM.
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  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Are you literally using your headcanon as a fact to explain why Tyrande lost her powers? Saying what Elune wants and doesn't want when we know next to nothing about her?
    Pretty much this. I posted in another forum that what happens actually raises some interesting questions.
    Is it possible Elune is in league with the Jailer?
    Does she have some unexplained divination that she can see glimpses of the future and knows that Sylvanas living is necessary to stop the Jailer and his forces later?
    Does she think that Tyrande is not worthy of her power?

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Are you literally using your headcanon as a fact to explain why Tyrande lost her powers? Saying what Elune wants and doesn't want when we know next to nothing about her?
    Yea I was speculating. I don’t think we have a concrete answer so speculation is all we have for now.

    That was my opinion tho and I don’t think tyrande is worthy or even capable of killing sylvanas. Sylvanas didn’t need to channel the jailer for help in the fight, without elude, tyrande would be dead

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Sylvanas is such a great and consistently written character.
    I LOVE MY QUEEN.
    .. you may hate me, but I love you !!
    Valewalker Farodin: "Magic has long been a vice of the elves. It shaped us, and lifted us out of the darkness - but without balance, it also threatens to unmake us."

    My long replies often repeat info to make sure: You get all the info I have, It is clear and complete, in case you didn't actually read the first one. New readers have context at hand and are reminded of the point

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