The reason why Tyrande was depowered by Elune is most probably because she said "My life for hers" and Elune, for whatever reason, seems to need Tyrande alive (either because she needs her in her service, to protect her or to teach her a lesson).
This isn't an argument for the existence of Alliance bias though; the problem is a lack of plausibility and meaningful consequences due to the game being hamstrung by terrible writers and its two faction system that always has to result in basically the same stalemate in order to mildly cater to both sides.
I'm not saying that the Horde gets treated any better. What they've been doing to the Forsaken for the last few years is nothing short of an atrocity. Taking a faction that always was as comically evil as it gets being forcibly converted to the cult of Anduin while having your faction leader turned into plot device must really sting for Forsaken players.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Ultimately she still did nothing, Sylvanas got the sigil and got away, i mean you could say she sowed some seed of distrust when she mentioned Nathanos to her... but thats about it.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
I wrote a snarky remark on how a faction is bluer and blonder, but the thing is: I agree. There is no singular preference when it comes down to faction, it's the bigger themes such as Anduinism that now have to be the focal point around which the plot more often than not loses its consistency.
We're losing plausible writing to the shorter term reward of spectacle, and even then the spectacle manages a number of obscene plot holes even at its perceived best and flashiest.
A shame, really.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
I mean... Kel'Thuzad serves her master and is a pretty high rank within his army. There's absolutely no way Sylvanas doesn't know about it. Well, there is if they want to go with the "oh no I didn't know about this I HATE HIM NOW" trope but that would be such a cringe writing and realistically I can't imagine how she wouldn't know anyway.
So I guess she gives no fucks at all.
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Up until Shadowlands it was a common belief Elune was THE goddess of Warcraft universe. Seeing the extent of the Night Warrior powers and the connection between Elune, the Winter Queen and Shadowlands, I guess it's no longer a case. Which means she no longer should be a benevolent being by default. She might as well be like any other cosmic force, using mortals as tools and granting them power for its own benefit.
I've proven that every argument/point you wrote about the topic was wrong.
Tyrande was clearly overpowering Sylvanas. That's all.
Says the guy who said that "Sylvanas was on the defense mode 99% of the time because she was trying to learn how to fight with Tyrande".
LOL
That's the point. She's stupid, because... Blizzard wrote her as stupid. It's not like Sylvanas has some kind of individual character outside from WoW, but I understand that sometimes fanboyism is too strong to realize the truth.
You can clearly see her face expression. She was helpless, couldn't do anything.
Yes and I totally agree. My point wasn't that she didn't show how weak she was, but how bad decision she made in that certain situation.
As I wrote above - I was just trying to see that situation from YOUR point of view - which still made my point correct, but with totally different interpretation of the event.
First of all - ss I wrote above - it wasnt BS.
Second - I didn't say that they are agreeing with me. They just said that discussing anything with you is pointless and I should put you on the ignore list ASAP if I don't want to lose my time.
And third - why do you think that was a personal attack? It wasn't.
"Behind baseless accusation"? Are you really still writing about the same thing that I already explained a few posts above? It's because you are totally argumentless and have nothing else to actually come up with? That's simply nonsense.
^Explained it above.
As you wrote - they're just assumptions and theories. Nothing more and I agree with that.
She didn't even fight him back after he destroyer the lantern. And as you wrote - there was no reason for her to not have him killed. The one good reason would be that she couldn't. She was fast enough to grab the lantern and she didn't even realize it. If he didn't say anything, She wouldn't even see him coming. It's obvious that Genn had an upper-hand. She was much faster(despite being old dude) and achievement his goal, while she received nothing.
Just saying that people who are argumenting that "Sylvanas was winning with Malfurion because she threw him across a few yards" proves nothing and is simply stupid. Especially in a fantasy world where people are hving much bigger and more notable feats.
I see that you're still having problem with a simple thing: they can't(and won't) show us everything in the game and in the book. They're are totally two different canon sources, and while the most fresh one is the most canonical, it doesn't mean that the previous isn't canon(as long as it is not contradicting with the events). And the Sylvanas vs Malfurion fights aren't contradicting with themselves up to the point where Saurfang saw the Malfurion hitting the tree and received axe into his back. Before that Windrunner was kneeling and moaning(and has less %hp) and that's the event shown in the game(that happened before the occurence that was in the short novel).
As I wrote already a few times - they won't and can't show us everything in the game. And they can't and won't show us everything in the books.
For example: we've seen what happened with the Illidan on the Icecrown in Wc3/WoW/The Rise of the Lich King, and only the parts that aren't strictly interacting are retconned, everything else is canon.
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I am so tired of Sylvanas and of her undeserved smugness and her lack of punishement so far, and also fear that we'll see again this insufferable cunt with the charisma of a lobster and who was protected by plot too that is Nathanos Blightcaller.
I know you can see her expression. As I said, she merely gritted her teeth for half a second before she realized what is happening with Tyrande's power up, stopped struggling and slowly started smiling and gloating. That's not exactly an indicator of panic.
Come on, I outright quoted that post (again). Nothing in there mentioned anything of the sort. But whatever. Anyway, I just pointed out how it didn't make your point correct at all, because that point of yours was about how Sylvanas is totes legit incapable of winning against Genn even when he has his back turned towards her (after a fight that showed that Genn can't even hurt her even if he lands a direct hit on her no less). And if Alliance characters have to survive a fight with Sylvanas due to Sylvanas catching plot induced stupidity and acting out of character (which is even your own premise in your attempt to see that situation from MY point of view), then it indicates it's the Alliance character in question that's too weak to survive under normal circumstances.
Because it adds absolute squat to the the actual topics being discussed and only serves to throw shade on me?
First of all, I have no idea why you're repeating the same thing multiple times in one reply, because you already said that bit in both of the prior paragraphs. Secondly, you only provided this explanation in your previous reply, not a few replies earlier. Thirdly, the post in question doesn't contain anything indicating what you've talked about in your explanation, though at this point I'm the one repeating what I said two paragraphs earlier.
Finally, your explanation doesn't change anything about your accusation being baseless. Because you accused me of putting words in your mouth by pointing out you changed your tune in regards to a specific argument and calling it a goalpost movement. You did change your tune. Your own explanation admits it. I.e. I put nothing in your mouth. Had you accused me of misrepresenting your intent you'd have something to stand on there, but the idea that I put anything in your mouth there remains false.
Not really? If the "above" is referring to the paragraph above (and I can't see anything else in previous paragraphs that would fit), you completely missed the point of what you were replying to in this paragraph. Because the premise of that bit was putting the part about how your accusation of me putting words in your mouth is baseless aside.
Yes, because an old, limping, poisoned man that had to be hauled out by his fellow soldiers (meaning that he most likely collapsed due to the poison or at least was significantly stumbling) was somehow immune to an arrow to the back. That he exposed to her. What is your source for this magnificent durability of Genn's back again? Because I missed that piece of lore. Must be some amazing back, given how even Malfurion is not immune to such attacks.
So you're back to significantly downplaying how far Malfurion was thrown by an order of magnitutde and pretending it constitutes an argument. By this metric Tyrande didn't win against Sylvanas because she just patted her on the stomach and then gave her neck massage.
I'm not having a problem with it whatsoever. It's just that, as I just pointed out and which you merrily ignored, this is just a general rule. One that does not even apply here. Because no matter how hard you wish to ignore it, the two pieces of lore in question did show the same point in time. I.e. what was happening immediately prior to Saurfang axe-sniping Malfurion's behind. Yet they showed different things. Meaning that there's a conflict between the two. Meaning that the newer piece takes precedence, because that's how canon works. You know, kinda what you mentioned in the last sentence here...
And the part about how Sylvanas kneeling and getting blasted by Malfurion's spells (by the way, please do tell me more that bit about how you totally aren't trying to force a time gap between the two versions of events out of nowhere in order to explain the disparities here again) before the events in the book is just false. Which part of the fact that both versions show what happens immediately prior to Saurfang interceding can't you understand? In the game Saurfang appears when Malfurion is busy rooting Sylvanas and spamming Balance spells at her. He throws his axe to interrupt that. Nothing of the sort happens in the story and his axe throw happens under completely different circumstances.
It's even funnier when you take into account that whatever souls that Sylv might have delivered to the Blue Man was just pocket money, when considered into the grand scheme of things, and especially when you compare Sylv's relatively pitiful contribution to the massive, staggering amounts of anima that Denathrius boi had at his disposal. Sylv has never been but a minor shareholder in Janitor Corp., but she acts as if she was an anima tycoon? Not only that, now it is implied that she is going to destroy the prison, or something? /facepalm
She is highly likely to be redeemed - but in Danuser's style, meaning that she will help to release the Blue Man's grip on Andy, who will give one of his usual self righteous speeches to the Janitor (and to everyone else ofc) before killing him, proving that he isn't just a peacenik and thus removing the only arguable flaw of the character (which has never had any consequences for him, anyway). All shall bow before the God King of Azeroth!
Yes. The male version looked weird, but the females were awesome.
I think they need to improve the night elf mae a lot. But it’s just age emo or changes could make a huge difference. Notice how the Zandalari model corrects many issues with the night elf male skeleton and posture.
then all they need is to add some extra faces that are actually good looking. It’s weird how the females can be drop dead gorgeous and even Malfurion looks handsome, but for a pretty race the men don’t come close.
anyway since Legion they’ve been given night elves a lot of love. Demon hunters were awesome to see and it was very nice they didn’t dominate them with blood elves. Yes there were lots of blood elf ones but the videos the vibe had a dominant night elf feel.
also they were very badass.
Farondis was also badass mage
the Moonguard were quite badass in their fights
the Nightborne, especially in the Nighthold were badass.
Night warrior intro was pretty cool though I felt the premise skipping to a new power rather. Showing or restoring the older ones still connected to the night elves was bad. But the terror of Darkshore and the whole quest sequence was cool. As was seeing night elves dressed traditionally according to the types present in BFA
now the mistakes
1. Not delving into the Oriesthood of Elune deeply in Suramar was a misuse of Tyrande and much of that city’s connection to the order
2. Failing to showcase the Sosterhood in the 7.2 Broken shore where their Cathedral is the main focus was bad. I know it was done then cut in favour for Legion and order halls. But they could have had the sisterhood approach and guide order halls all over so their presence was there.
3. All the Nightborne going horde. That was bad. It’s not that having Nightborne available on the horde was a bad thing, it’s that the whole thing went horde. Given how central Suramar is to the story of the alliance Night elf group and that it was both alliance and horde helping, I feel it was a mistake to give it all to the horde, that has set back night elf development. What should have happened was alliance nightborne get turned back into night elves after eating the fruit that removes the curse, they rejoice in their new found balance and restoration of Suramar to the days before addiction where the priesthood, who were capitalled there return and Druidism is respected for the solution and salvation it brought. So alliance get the city and the night elves or the Cutty stays neutral but many Nightborne who restore to night elves ally with the alliance.
Meanwhile the punishment for the loyalists and a large number of elitists who sided with Elisande and switched is
4. Destroying Teldrassil in that manner.
5. Weakness of Tyrande confronting Nathanis. Scene shoul have played out much more humiliating for him
6. Ditching Prince Farondis, one of Leguon’s best new characters. He should have been in Naz’jatar in place of Jaina
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