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    Night warrior as a skin for NElf DH instead of Pala?

    Did you guys see the recent Tyrande v Sylvanas showdown?

    Is it me or was she very DH esque? It makes sense though, it’s probably a night elf fighting style common across many of their disciplines. Pretty much like that star and moon magic seems to occur across many of their classes (Mage, Druid and priest).


    So the thought that if or when blizzard does class skins like Dark ranger for blood elf MM hunters or necromancer skin for demo warlocks.

    Wouldn’t the Night warrior be better as a NElf demon Hunter class skin instead of a pala one.

    If a pala skin. Then actually the default NElf pala could be a Night warrior and they can pick up a skin for a Light faith based Pala like a reverse thing.


    Other Potential Class Skins:


    Spell breaker class skin for Blood elf Prot Palad
    Dark ranger skin for Blood elf MM hunters
    Necromancer skin for all demo locks
    Blade master class skin for Orc or maybe all other race demon hunters (as default)
    Runemaster class skin for Dwarf Mages
    Botanist Class skin for Blood elf and Nightborne resto druids
    Valewalker class skin for Nightborne balance druids druids
    Moon Priest skin for Night elf and Nightborne Priests
    Star Augur class skin for NElf and Nightborne eve shaman or fire/arcanemage
    Void Knight class skin for Void elf Palas
    Warden class skin for for Night elf Rogues

    Fel Lord Illidari skin for Night elf Warlock
    Man’ari Eredar skin for Draenei warlock and fire Mage
    Thermataige skin for Human and forsaken shaman
    Entropist skin for void elf, blood elf, night elf and Nightborne shaman

    - - - Updated - - -

    Anyway. I like. The idea of class skins.

    Face it, we are not going to get classes for all the famous ones we’ve seen like Runemaster, blade master , Necromancer etc.

    Wow probably has 1 totally new class left. Prob gonna be tinker.

    They’ll have to start doing skins and composite classes.

    Most of the famous ones can actually be reckons of existing classes simply giving them unique animations, effects, spell names and descriptions that fit that fantasy.

    Could be as big as allied races were
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    Neither.
    Just because she uses glaives doesn't mean she's a Demon Hunter. It's like equating a Warrior and a Death Knight because of their use of Swords. You guys need to realize that more than one class can use [insert weapon]. Not all bow/Gun wielders are Hunters and not all Glaive users are Demon Hunters. For once, the Night Warrior does not use Fel magic or turns into a Demon. Secondly, her powers are not meant for her to hunt and slay any specific type of creature. If she would be an "Undead Hunter" or an "Aberration Hunter", i would somehow understand the class skin. But, you're just arbitrarily assigning her a class just because she wields Glaives and is agile. FYI, that's most of the Night elves: glaives are a part of their society and their physique allows them to be that agile in combat. Neither the Glaive-wielding Night Warrior nor the Warden are Demon Hunters. That's why they are different units in Warcraft III. Maiev hunts Illidan. It doesn't make her a Demon Hunter just because she wields a glaive. Tyrande worships the Moon. Only recently did she become such a melee powerhouse. Going through a ritual still doesn't make her into a Demon Hunter.

    If you like class skins, then the skins that should be suggested are those of the same class but of different races. Something like Sunwalkers, Blood Knights and Prelate. Something we know for sure isn't a distinct class.

    Now, as for your class skin suggestions:
    Spellbreakers do not use the Light. They use the Arcane.
    MM Hunters are not quite Dark Rangers. Go see all the abilities Sylvanas is capable of.
    Necromancer skin would fit an Unholy Death Knight more.
    Blademasters are not Demon Hunters. Nor are they Warriors. They are Samurais and are lacking from the game. Go see Samuros abilities.
    Runemaster would be a Monk skin at best, as it is a martial artist who uses runes.
    Blood elves and Nightborne cannot be Druids yet. However, when they will be, a Botanist would be fitting.
    I don't know what a Valewalker is, but an Astromancer would be the fitting class skin for a Nightborne Balance Druid, if they are ever added.
    Nightborne do not worship Elune. Moon Priests would be part of the Night Warrior, which is likely to be a class of its own.
    An Augur does fit a Nightborne or Night elf Shaman, if they are ever added, just like how the Shadowmoon clan is shamanistic while consorting with stars. However, a Mage is less likely.
    Void elf Paladins are not a thing yet, and i doubt they would get something that contradicts the very thing they wield.
    Wardens are not exactly Rogues. Go see how Maiev differs from the likes of Valeera, for example.
    What does a Fel Lord has to do with Night elf Warlocks (which are still not playable)?
    I can understand the Man'ari Eredar skin for Draenei Warlocks. Less so for a Mage.
    What's a Thermataige?
    Entropist skin for elven Shaman? isn't chaos a Warlock thing?

    How did you get to the conclusion that there's only one class left and that is the Tinker?
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    A new race-class combo is way cooler than an existing class getting a new skin, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Just because she uses glaives doesn't mean she's a Demon Hunter.
    And nobody said that. That's the whole point of class skins.

    To play something else, without having a new gameplay to create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    Wouldn’t the Night warrior be better as a NElf demon Hunter class skin instead of a pala one.

    If a pala skin. Then actually the default NElf pala could be a Night warrior and they can pick up a skin for a Light faith based Pala like a reverse thing.
    I'm sorry but are you trying to say paladin when you keep typing "pala"? Night Elves can't even be paladins so why would Night Elves get a skin for a paladin if they can't even be one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    A new race-class combo is way cooler than an existing class getting a new skin, imo.
    Why not both?

    @username993720 you make some fair points

    Astromancer would be a good skin for night elf and Nightborne mages too as well as a Nightborne balance druid.

    Valewalkers are an order of night elven ancient druids and Highborne mages who worked together to solve the arcane addiction problem they noticed had a corrupting influence o. Night elf society and is attributed to the lapse in judgement that led to her majesty summoning Legion.

    Valewalker Farodin is one of the Druid members that finishes the project started 10,000 years ago to help save the Nightborne (and any night elf who’d be addicted by extension) this is the arc that saves the Nightborne from the curse.

    The tree is a fusion of arcane and nature magic that restores natural balance off set by anusive use of arcane.

    Because of its arcane half and the connection to Nightborne elves it made sense.

    Also, do we know Nightborne priests don’t worship Elune ?

    We aren’t told but ive followed the discussions that have me leaning towards Elune.

    • 1. Is there a reason they wouldn’t worship Elune now reconnecting with the wider world?
    • They seem very fond of their Kaldorei heritage
    • Occuleth fondly and blissfully reminisces the prayers to Elune from Falanaar temple where Withered training happens confirming this love
    • Suramar was the capital of the Order of Elune a source of pride for these people (remember the order was universally loved even if sometimes in competition with the Highborne leaders, and the order left as heroes to defend the city from the Legion - Nightborne storyline talks very flatteringly and admiringly a lot about the night elves who left the city to fight the demons and protect it - (thought lost in the calamity that followed. )
    • The Cathedral of Elune is right on their doorstep
    • They have flirt lines over Tyrande - they like her
    • Is their a reason why being friends with the blood elves means they have to align to blood elf beliefs for such an ancient original night elven group?
    • Granted that in isolation, the Nightwell became everything with the priesthood gone and nature itself fully sustained by the arcane making arcane even more important than it was for pre sundering night elven civilisation. But the Nightwell is gone and Elune is still around and unlike our elves, these ones didn’t feel abandoned by her - they locked themselves in feeling it was the best choice.
    • Elune fits their theme heavily as we see them wielding moon and star arcane magic just like the priests and druids of the Kaldorei


    Could mean nothing in the long run but there you go.

    For the Light. There really is only one thing going for them to be Light priests.

    Liadrin and the blood elves.

    But this is enough IMO.

    However if blizzard makes them light priests, they’d be even more similar to blood elves. And to be honest we want them good friends, not clones. They are already struggling to feel different in the eyes of a lot of players.

    They would do well to have more things from their Kaldorei heritage.

    To be fair @Mace suggested this, they could explore the other sides of the priesthood of Elune not expounded on the main night elf group yet. The more arcane intensive side of things.

    Since there isn’t much of Elune they’ve revealed. They could use both the night elves and Nightborne to explore that. The Nightborne shownf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    And nobody said that. That's the whole point of class skins.

    To play something else, without having a new gameplay to create.
    blizz is really uptight with the class fantasy, if anyone can be a night warrior, then the night warrior is not as special as the Ardenweald quest chain makes it look. Plus, DHs can't BRAP into the stratosphere.

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    Death Paladin skin for Zandalari Paladins. Or just something so get rid of all of the Silver Hand stuff

    Another day, another Deal....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    And nobody said that. That's the whole point of class skins.

    To play something else, without having a new gameplay to create.
    Not exactly. The point of class skins would be to play the same thing, with a new coat of paint. Like Allied races. They are not new races (except for Vulpera). How would you explain a Demon Hunter shooting an arrow from a bow?

    Or, the use of pets?

    Or blasting with a lunar spell?

    None of which the Demon Hunter uses. You just arbitrarily applied the Demon Hunter to the Night Warrior because you saw Glaives. But, the fact is they are quite different, lore-wise and ability-wise.

    That's why i suggested class skins to apply to other races of the same class, like Sunwalkers and such.

    What you guys don't realize is that if Blizzard were to implement new classes with class skins, they would be left without their major key selling feature. That's why allied races are, mostly, recycled races and not new races. Because if they added 10 actual new races, they would be left with none for future expansions and their sales would decline even further.

    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    I'm sorry but are you trying to say paladin when you keep typing "pala"? Night Elves can't even be paladins so why would Night Elves get a skin for a paladin if they can't even be one?
    There are Night elf Paladins in lore. A pretty much confirmed future class/race combination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    Why not both?

    @username993720 you make some fair points

    Astromancer would be a good skin for night elf and Nightborne mages too as well as a Nightborne balance druid.

    Valewalkers are an order of night elven ancient druids and Highborne mages who worked together to solve the arcane addiction problem they noticed had a corrupting influence o. Night elf society and is attributed to the lapse in judgement that led to her majesty summoning Legion.

    Valewalker Farodin is one of the Druid members that finishes the project started 10,000 years ago to help save the Nightborne (and any night elf who’d be addicted by extension) this is the arc that saves the Nightborne from the curse.

    The tree is a fusion of arcane and nature magic that restores natural balance off set by anusive use of arcane.

    Because of its arcane half and the connection to Nightborne elves it made sense.

    Also, do we know Nightborne priests don’t worship Elune ?

    We aren’t told but ive followed the discussions that have me leaning towards Elune.

    • 1. Is there a reason they wouldn’t worship Elune now reconnecting with the wider world?
    • They seem very fond of their Kaldorei heritage
    • Occuleth fondly and blissfully reminisces the prayers to Elune from Falanaar temple where Withered training happens confirming this love
    • Suramar was the capital of the Order of Elune a source of pride for these people (remember the order was universally loved even if sometimes in competition with the Highborne leaders, and the order left as heroes to defend the city from the Legion - Nightborne storyline talks very flatteringly and admiringly a lot about the night elves who left the city to fight the demons and protect it - (thought lost in the calamity that followed. )
    • The Cathedral of Elune is right on their doorstep
    • They have flirt lines over Tyrande - they like her
    • Is their a reason why being friends with the blood elves means they have to align to blood elf beliefs for such an ancient original night elven group?
    • Granted that in isolation, the Nightwell became everything with the priesthood gone and nature itself fully sustained by the arcane making arcane even more important than it was for pre sundering night elven civilisation. But the Nightwell is gone and Elune is still around and unlike our elves, these ones didn’t feel abandoned by her - they locked themselves in feeling it was the best choice.
    • Elune fits their theme heavily as we see them wielding moon and star arcane magic just like the priests and druids of the Kaldorei


    Could mean nothing in the long run but there you go
    Unlike the night elves, the shal'dorei do not appear to worship Elune. They, instead, revere the stars themselves, without naming a specific divinity. Nightborne priests seem to call to the stars to channel their magic. For healing, the nightborne use chronomancy to rewind time, reversing the wounds rather than healing them in the traditional manner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Death Paladin skin for Zandalari Paladins. Or just something so get rid of all of the Silver Hand stuff
    Zandalari Paladins are Prelates. They worshipped Rezan.
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    I think it would be cool if Demon Hunters got a 3rd Spec. Mechanically identical, but different themed depending on Alliance or Horde.

    Night Elf - Night Warrior
    Blood Elf - Spell Breaker

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    I think it would be cool if Demon Hunters got a 3rd Spec. Mechanically identical, but different themed depending on Alliance or Horde.

    Night Elf - Night Warrior
    Blood Elf - Spell Breaker
    A Demon Hunter's third spec would likely play like the Warlock's Metamorphosis, rather than these. Sort of a Spellcaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    Why not both?
    Resources, probably, as people would want skins for every class to be unique and special. In an ideal world we might see EVERY race theme variant on all classes as skins one day, but for an all at once delivery it seems ambitious - there's what, 13 core races, 36 specs? That's hundreds of spec visual revamps. I don't think they have it in them. Could they even afford doing something so ambitious? At best I think for even an expac level feature one overal skin for each class is more realistic. But having any of those class' skins be duplicates of another class' skin seems too one-note, and not as exciting as if every class got something special and unique. After all, why bother with getting or trying the other skins if it's basically the same as another class' skin? It's boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Not exactly. The point of class skins would be to play the same thing, with a new coat of paint. Like Allied races. They are not new races (except for Vulpera). How would you explain a Demon Hunter shooting an arrow from a bow?


    It's already a thing in Hearthstone. But if I had it my way, NightWarrior Class Skin of Demon Hunter wouldn't involve any bows or ranged attacks, it'd be purely using Demon Hunter abilities and gameplay and would just be a skin.

    I'd say the best way to incorporate any variations is through glyphs and alternative talents. Instead of 'Throw Glaives', it's 'Sentry Owls' that fly in a criss-cross pattern to hurt the enemy. Instead of Eyebeams it'd be a Moonflare or something. Change up animations and spell effects, but keep the numbers the same.
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    Since Arthas used Frostmourne, which is a Runeblade, and Frostmourne's power eminates from those runes, that made him a Runemaster by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garretdejiko View Post
    blizz is really uptight with the class fantasy, if anyone can be a night warrior, then the night warrior is not as special as the Ardenweald quest chain makes it look. Plus, DHs can't BRAP into the stratosphere.
    I dunno, Tyrande flying off to chase Sylvanas looked a lot like the "The Hunt" spell DHs get when joining the Night Fae.

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    I don't feel like having a skin that is both class and race locked is very productive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    How would you explain a Demon Hunter shooting an arrow from a bow?
    you don't because you wouldn't play a demon hunter

    Holy shit, that's the whole point of the skin ideas. Instead of throwing a glaive, the spell skin would shot an arrow for exemple. Just that mechanically the spell would be the same, doing the same things, with the same damages.

    You play a different class but reusing a spell system. But apparently thes basic notion is too hard to grasp to some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post


    It's already a thing in Hearthstone. But if I had it my way, NightWarrior Class Skin of Demon Hunter wouldn't involve any bows or ranged attacks, it'd be purely using Demon Hunter abilities and gameplay and would just be a skin.

    I'd say the best way to incorporate any variations is through glyphs and alternative talents. Instead of 'Throw Glaives', it's 'Sentry Owls' that fly in a criss-cross pattern to hurt the enemy. Instead of Eyebeams it'd be a Moonflare or something. Change up animations and spell effects, but keep the numbers the same.
    Yes, i know that card. For now, it is just a "what if" card. It's a combination between a Demon Hunter and a Hunter and is part of the dual-class of Scholomance Academy. As you can see, it's in Vengeance demon form. Do you propose that while Demon Hunters get this cool demonic form, the Night Warrior would suffice with some glowing tattoos? because as far as i'm aware, the Night Warrior does not transform into anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    you don't because you wouldn't play a demon hunter

    Holy shit, that's the whole point of the skin ideas. Instead of throwing a glaive, the spell skin would shot an arrow for exemple. Just that mechanically the spell would be the same, doing the same things, with the same damages.

    You play a different class but reusing a spell system. But apparently thes basic notion is too hard to grasp to some.
    The bow and arrow is not an ability. It's by default. You see, a Night Warrior is a previous Priestess of the Moon. And these priestesses wield bow and arrow. Plus, as Tyrande is already showing you in the cinematic, she's throwing her glaives at Sylvanas. So, i don't see a point in replacing the Demon Hunter's Throw Glaive with an Arrow shot just so you can forcefully match the two. Thus, you are still left with a bow and arrow that are not accounted for in the Demon Hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Yes, i know that card. For now, it is just a "what if" card. It's a combination between a Demon Hunter and a Hunter and is part of the dual-class of Scholomance Academy. As you can see, it's in Vengeance demon form. Do you propose that while Demon Hunters get this cool demonic form, the Night Warrior would suffice with some glowing tattoos? because as far as i'm aware, the Night Warrior does not transform into anything.
    It's just a visual schtick.

    Make it into an Avatar of Vengeance style cosmic voidy look and it'd work just as well.



    Overall it's still a Night Warrior class skin that uses Demon Hunter gameplay. Considering that the Night Warrior itself is not wholly defined with any limits, the sky's the limit for what visuals can be used to augment the class flavour. It's taking a page from Heroes of the Storm, which has done fairly well with making their class skins packed full of flavour.

    Gameplay and lore has never been 1:1 anyways. It's always given a measure of fanciful flavour, like allowing Zandalari Druids to be Dinosaurs. The lore just gets adapted to whatever visuals get thrown in the game. Would you be opposed if the Night Warriors were able to temporarily become a literal Avatar of Vengeance? It might not be directly tied in lore, but it easily could be.
    Last edited by Triceron; 2021-07-05 at 09:43 PM.
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    Since Arthas used Frostmourne, which is a Runeblade, and Frostmourne's power eminates from those runes, that made him a Runemaster by default.

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    Night Warrior deserves to be a class of its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post

    Unlike the night elves, the shal'dorei do not appear to worship Elune. They, instead, revere the stars themselves, without naming a specific divinity. Nightborne priests seem to call to the stars to channel their magic. For healing, the nightborne use chronomancy to rewind time, reversing the wounds rather than healing them in the traditional manner.
    .
    They revere the stars just as much as the night elves - same line remember. Mmtheir star reverence shows in the line ‘we were the stars once more’ , while the Darnassians is @stars guide you”

    There is more star evidence in the Kaldorei than the Nightborne. But based on who the Nightborne are, it should be roughly the same. Likely less since they’ve been under a star less sky fir 10k years and their star love is because they are night elves, it’s not a new development in transitioning to Nightborne.

    In fact only chronomancy expertise is new.

    So we don’t know what these priests worship for sure. And who is to say the stars isn’t part of Elune religion?

    It would be silly not to think so because night elf priests and druids call on both the stars and moon, the moon is the symbol of Elune and the stars the night elves - the two have been connected all through their religion, their civilisation, their magic and their nature love.


    Would you be surprised if the love of the stars is source of their live of nature? In the night what shines the brightest? The moon and stars! Both. This is where the first love comes, appreciating that as part of the natural world leads to being able to see them in that light and you can spin it from their.

    The night elves holy light is arcane starlight instead of holy light, which is why the priest spells are usually arcane. It’s almost as if Arcane has a spiritual dimension to them not common in any other race.

    But this makes sense when you look at their origin, it is heavily tied to the well of eternity, studying it and learning. Discovering Elune comes from that.

    Could it be that the arcane is to night elves what the light is to priests? And it’s because of starlight and moonlight who’s magical essence is arcane and not holy light?

    Could this development have led to magecraft like Raven speculates? With magecraft developing from elves looking only at the practical applications of their discoveries without spiritualising and philosophising the meaning like priests.

    This is not to say that a measure of Holy light isn’t part of the priesthood too. Just that the arcane has a spiritual component with night elves.

    Basically stars and moon are connected in the Elune religion for sure. The two would be part of the night elves. It is hard to see the stars only being part of the Nightborne with no Elune reference.

    The other option is the Holy light

    For the Light. There really is only one thing going for them to be Light priests.

    Liadrin and the blood elves.

    But this is enough IMO.

    However if blizzard makes them light priests, they’d be even more similar to blood elves. And to be honest we want them good friends, not clones. They are already struggling to feel different in the eyes of a lot of players.

    They would do well to have more things from their Kaldorei heritage.

    To be fair @Mace suggested this, they could explore the other sides of the priesthood of Elune not expounded on the main night elf group yet. The more arcane intensive side of things.

    Since there isn’t much of Elune they’ve revealed. They could use both the night elves and Nightborne to explore that. The Nightborne shownf

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