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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGkiiUac2M

    aiiight, its out.
    and its 100% what literally everyone predicted.
    nothing surprising, nothing unexpected.
    So is sylvannas good again?

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    Genocidal banshee queen serves Jailer since Cataclysm, suddenly has a change of heart because (Presumably) Nathanos was killed - and even if not that, then what? It isn't coherent at all. There is no explanation for this (As far as I am aware of) and how she is changing.

    Something tells me 9.3 will center around the after-math of these events as we transition into a new expansion, explaining why Sylvanas (Hopefully, anyways) had started feeling this way and no longer a drone to killing everything for him. If it's as simple as her torn soul influencing her change, that's - fine, alright. But I don't know why Blizzard has to do backwards-forwards story telling all the time.

    Do a thing, no justification for a thing, but wait awhile and suddenly you know why now - even if it is well after the fact, and makes no damn sense.
    Isn't it easily explained with her damaged/incomplete soul that happend with Frostmourne (hinted at with the Uther arc)? And the throwback to Arthas that snapped her out?
    Predictable but coherent imo.

  3. #263
    Heheh, as you've betrayed me, let me just *shuffles deck* give you your soul back ! So that I'm sure you'll fully cooperate with the people who want to defeat me in next patch

    That... doesn't make any ounce of sense

  4. #264
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    I just want to write FUCK this, yeah we all expected it, but we really hoped they won't be THAT shit bad
    they are
    seriously if they make a video of Danasur giving us middle finger while hugging his Sylvannas waifu pillow (yes he actually has one) i would feel less insulted, at least i'd still hope they just fucking end her instead of kerrigan her
    for FUCK sake how the FUCK u redeem a MORALLY GREY character like her? joke aside does blizz REALLY think what happened in Teldrassil is morally grey!? Is burning alive innocent civilians women and children cool as long they aren't humans?
    what the FUCK really? is blizz that idiot? they do know that 99% of fan base wants her dead right? the 1% left will follow any goth chick since no way they like her character because they change her character every exp (sometimes twice same exp), the only thing Sylvanas has constant is her look

    My expectation were low but holy fuck i really was still expecting a better treatment than this to us
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  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by BrintoSFJ View Post
    You think death threat is fine?
    Ofc not lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zora-Prime View Post
    Surely you're not cheering for an author of video game stories getting death threats, are you?
    Ofc I'm not cheering.

    Writers are shit but even they don't deserve to die.

    There are simply talentless people out there and you can't blame them I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathKnightRum View Post
    So is sylvannas good again?
    He was all the time good just like Illidan and all those innocent who happen to die well too bad for them

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    Ofc not lol.

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    Ofc I'm not cheering.

    Writers are shit but even they don't deserve to die.

    There are simply talentless people out there and you can't blame them I guess.
    You can not like the story and even blame the author. However, if your idea of "blaming" constitutes death threats then you should be ostracized from society and thrown in the garbage where you belong.

  8. #268
    Golden liked this tweet so I’m guessing the next patch will lead up to some self-reflection(pity) storylines for Sylvanas as she struggles to come to terms with what she’s done.

    https://twitter.com/daughterof_seas/...701718534?s=21

    Meh, I’d rather she just died on her sword believing what she was doing.

  9. #269
    Imagine making an entire raid and patch about Sylvanas WINDRUNNER and not involving Alleria WINDRUNNER, the disgusting hatred for the Ren'dorei continued. It wasn't enough that they weren't even mentioned in the patch about the OLD GOD.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    for FUCK sake how the FUCK u redeem a MORALLY GREY character like her?
    Funny thing is they showed us Uther as great example of an evil soul made whole again and stuff so we can feel like sylvanas can be redeemed when the worst thing Uther has done was questioning the kyrians like literally half of them did anyway. Thats nothing in comparison to what sylvanas has done.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Razaron View Post
    Meh, I’d rather she just died on her sword believing what she was doing.
    Not everyone has Garry's dignity.

    Though speaking of dignity now that the Jailer fired her here's to hoping they put her back into a decent outfit. If I see one more dull gray and glowing blue tinged villain I'll declare a blood feud on all DKs.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  12. #272
    Golden isn't the one in charge of WoW's story and yet she's the one getting death threats. Not only are the people threatening her vile but they're total dumbasses. Absolute filth.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Archipelagos View Post
    Golden isn't the one in charge of WoW's story and yet she's the one getting death threats. Not only are the people threatening her vile but they're total dumbasses. Absolute filth.
    Yup they’re massive assholes, I hope these kids get the police knocking on there door.

    However I do hope people don’t use this as a distraction to belittle the unrest within a large part of the community on the direction of the plot. A lot of us aren’t happy with the storytelling this expansion and sending our critique can be a positive IF Blizzard listen.

    No excuses for real life threats, ever.

  14. #274
    These comments are hilarious. The state of the fanbase here on mmoc
    It's not "reverse racism", it's just racism. Demonising white people is not okay.

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by Caprias1212 View Post
    Isn't it easily explained with her damaged/incomplete soul that happend with Frostmourne (hinted at with the Uther arc)? And the throwback to Arthas that snapped her out?
    Predictable but coherent imo.
    With current knowledge many, many expansions later? Yes, of course. But we didn't know that, we only could guess and even SO - that was, most likely, not even a thing in the lore back when she was killed by Frostmourne. Or not to the degree we see it here. It's the issue WoW continues to have, where they come up with something, and then later on justify it with no build up or hints or anything (Usually).

    WoW's lore would be a lot better if they didn't do this and instead actually thought things through, instead of justifying it later on.

  16. #276
    That like-dislike ratio on the video is hilarious, they even unlisted it!!

    But the dislikes had better not be from Sylvanas fanboys. These writers literally took someone who committed genocide and redeemed her, don't you dare dislike the video, what more could you possibly want??? Maybe the 4th CGI Sylvanas cinematic in a row to ease your pain?

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    I mean if that makes you feel better?

    Fact is. Jailer comes before Arthas. Jailer creates Arthas. Jailer therefore had a design and model Arthas and his stuff off it. Hence Arthas is the knockoff.

    Just because we see Arthas first doesn't change anything. That would be the same thing as saying you meet a guy/girl and see what they look like then later on you meet their parents and notice they look almost exactly the same. By your logic in this case the parents would be knockoff because you met them last, despite we know that the parents indeed did come first. Exact same principle in this case. Of course though, I'll be told that's different because it's "common sense" or something and it's real life which isn't altered by artists.
    Last time I checked one's parents aren't retroactively added to one's life by the writers of the universe decades after one's birth. Stellar comparison you got here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    So out of curiosity, where are all your writings and stories at? I mean, you and many others can clearly do a better job. Why aren't we having you all write the storyline, books, scripts, etc?

    Now, I'm not saying the story is amazing or anything, but I always find it funny when people want to do nothing but talk crap on it they haven't done anything themselves to show they could do better.
    Ah, yes, the classic "you can't criticize food in a restaurant if you're not a chef" line of defense for Blizzard's atrocious writing. Sorry to break it to you, but this will never not be fallacious bullshit. I haven't built any bridges nor do I see myself doing so anytime in the future, because I don't know how to do so. I can still confidently say the Tacoma Narrows bridge was badly constructed. Because even in lieu of personal ability there are still things like comparison to other bridges and the general knowledge how a suspension bridge is supposed to be like.

    On top of that @Houle didn't say a word about being an accomplished writer. Maybe they'd be even worse than Danuser. But even if that would be the case, unlike Danuser they are not disgracing the world with it, let alone pretending they are writing some magnum opus (vide Blizzard's commentary on the ending of BfA). Shocking as it appears to be for you, claiming something is bad doesn't mean that one can do a better job. Because that's, you know, not how language works.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    There's the comment I knew that would come. Difference is the logic works the same and how do we know the Jailer wasn't even a thought in anyone's head?
    You knew the point that you were already arguing against (and, until this reply, only deliberately ignored by changing the topic from OOG development to in-lore state of things, retroactively changed by the former) would come? Really, whatever gave you that idea?

    And yes, Jailer was totally a thought in anyone's head when the Frozen Throne was being written. That's why Sylvanas' motivations didn't even stay consistent throughout the life span of BfA and its related materials alone and why even as recently as Chronicle Volume 3 the story behind the Lich King's creation was that the Helm of Domination was forged by Legion itself.
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

  18. #278
    Unironically looking forward to several expansions of High Elf Sylvanas now.

  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Razaron View Post
    Golden liked this tweet so I’m guessing the next patch will lead up to some self-reflection(pity) storylines for Sylvanas as she struggles to come to terms with what she’s done.

    https://twitter.com/daughterof_seas/...701718534?s=21

    Meh, I’d rather she just died on her sword believing what she was doing.
    That tweet is pure rubbish and I'm surprised at how mad I'm getting.

  20. #280
    Well, Zooval looks a bit more scary now, I like it.

    Not sure what Sylvanas expected would happen to a literal death god after being shot by some shadowy arrow though. A bit weird but whatever.
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