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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    Well could that not be the boss dude?
    Both disappeared. Seemingly implying he sacrificed himself to end this boss. Bummer
    I really liked Garrosh...
    What was the point of hyping him up in the Revendreth Afterlives if he was just meant to be disposed the moment he made an appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Life-Binder View Post
    screaming loudly =/= great
    It's better than any other character, that's for sure.
    And it's not just that. The writing for him was better. The way he talked was realistic, unlike Sylvanas' scripted, theatrical lines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    Best addition to the franchise since the RTS games. The best character the MMO spawned for sure.
    Right? and people look at me like i'm crazy...
    The guy was a truly captivating character.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Krowth View Post

    Aaaand he's gone again.

    At least he went out like an absolute chad.
    I was both filled with euphoria and then sadness when I saw Garrosh come back only to die again. I wanted -him- to return but I think they'll use AU Garrosh that's with Yrel and make him Warchief in the future. This is probably a taste for what is to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    Is Thrall apart of this fight or brought up in some way? Or does Garrosh bring up Thrall out of the blue because he is salty?
    We fight him alone. He's the first boss after the Nine.
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    I understand the history, but my man has been locked up as an anima battery since WoD and the first thing he says is "Thrall is a coward." Like bro, stop simping for Thrall. I think Garrosh is great, but a real Chad wouldn't give a fuck about cheating ass Thrall. Why would he care about Thrall in the afterlife if his contention is he would make the same choices again. It's just bad writing, but it devalues Garrosh.

    Edit: I shouldn't say bad writing, I should say writers trying to grapple with a character that is so wildly different that their own personalities that they don't understand the way he should be acting.
    Say what you will about what I'm saying about myself with this; but I think Garrosh's situation just needs the littlest bit of empathy applied and it seems to make sense.

    Imagine it was you about to put down your failed mentor and move on to the life you've earned, and suddenly without warning, the most shitty, disrespectful move played by Thrall, so much so that even across all time and space the Elements abandoned him, comes out snuffs out your light before it's finished blazing.

    THEN you're immediately shoved into some dank holding cell and forced to basically Soul-Vomit violently day in and day out for elune-knows-how-long, full well seeing through these Vampiric dweebs and their penance BS.

    I'm not saying it's my noblest side, but without a doubt I'd probably be steaming at Thrall for putting me in that place without a fair fight. I imagine I wouldn't even be able to care 'how long it's been' whatever that means in the Shadowlands, just that it's the last immediate event of my mortal life, and the beginning of an immortal hell.
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  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Archmage Xaxxas View Post
    Say what you will about what I'm saying about myself with this; but I think Garrosh's situation just needs the littlest bit of empathy applied and it seems to make sense.

    Imagine it was you about to put down your failed mentor and move on to the life you've earned, and suddenly without warning, the most shitty, disrespectful move played by Thrall, so much so that even across all time and space the Elements abandoned him, comes out snuffs out your light before it's finished blazing.

    THEN you're immediately shoved into some dank holding cell and forced to basically Soul-Vomit violently day in and day out for elune-knows-how-long, full well seeing through these Vampiric dweebs and their penance BS.

    I'm not saying it's my noblest side, but without a doubt I'd probably be steaming at Thrall for putting me in that place without a fair fight. I imagine I wouldn't even be able to care 'how long it's been' whatever that means in the Shadowlands, just that it's the last immediate event of my mortal life, and the beginning of an immortal hell.
    I do empathize with Garrosh's position.

    But at the end of the day he made all his decisions and pretty much all of them had nothing to do with Thrall. Garrosh even says he lacked guidance and was left to make his own choices... which he did. And he just said he would do it all again. Thrall only factors into the end of his story.

    Garrosh isn't blaming Thrall for his life. I understand that Garrosh may hate Thrall, but to say in the same breath, "I would do it all again, fuck that coward Thrall." It clearly says to me he is continuing to blame Thrall for his issues; which is a problem because Garrosh has never blamed Thrall.
    When Thrall accuses Garrosh of failing the Horde, Garrosh rightfully throws it back in his face, Thrall failed Garrosh. And Garrosh doesn't care because he thinks Thrall is a failure and a weak warchief/Orc.

    What Garrosh would really say is "I did what I did and I would do it again, regrets and repentance are for the weak." If the writers wanted to slip in a jab while still maintaining a proper character, Garrosh would say "regrets and repentance are for weak warriors." calling back to the WoD fight cinematic.

    Edit: lets put it this way: Garrosh is Thrall's whole story arc since Cata. Thrall is only part of Garrosh's arc at the end of WoD. The only time Thrall occurs to in Garrosh's story is when Thrall's story intersects. Otherwise Garrosh doesn't care.
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  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    It pretty clearly isn't. She just gets to have magic remorse before she dies.

    Kerrigan is not an argument.
    yes, because psychic remorse is completely different.

    edit: while i'm sad that garrosh was brought back just to die again, at least they didn't ruin him.

  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    I do empathize with Garrosh's position.

    But at the end of the day he made all his decisions and pretty much all of them had nothing to do with Thrall. Garrosh even says he lacked guidance and was left to make his own choices... which he did. And he just said he would do it all again. Thrall only factors into the end of his story.

    Garrosh isn't blaming Thrall for his life. I understand that Garrosh may hate Thrall, but to say in the same breath, "I would do it all again, fuck that coward Thrall." It clearly says to me he is continuing to blame Thrall for his issues; which is a problem because Garrosh has never blamed Thrall.
    When Thrall accuses Garrosh of failing the Horde, Garrosh rightfully throws it back in his face, Thrall failed Garrosh. And Garrosh doesn't care because he thinks Thrall is a failure and a weak warchief/Orc.

    What Garrosh would really say is "I did what I did and I would do it again, regrets and repentance are for the weak." If the writers wanted to slip in a jab while still maintaining a proper character, Garrosh would say "regrets and repentance are for weak warriors." calling back to the WoD fight cinematic.

    Edit: lets put it this way: Garrosh is Thrall's whole story arc since Cata. Thrall is only part of Garrosh's arc at the end of WoD. The only time Thrall occurs to in Garrosh's story is when Thrall's story intersects. Otherwise Garrosh doesn't care.
    You toss around the notion that you know best what 'Would' happen with Garrosh, and it didn't happen. So I'm not sure that's even worth bringing up.
    Discussing specifically what did indeed happen is more productive to understanding Garrosh's emotions at this point.

    As well, you've raised many rather un-related aspects of the Thrall/Garrosh relationship pertaining to the course of Garrosh's Life and actions, knowing full well the context of discussion is centered around why or why not Garrosh still blames Thrall for his Death. This just muddles the clarity of the conversation.

    You bring up good points with Garrosh being unrepentant and standing his ground on whether he'd do it all again, and I'm personally seeing that as more of a good example as to why chastising Thrall for cutting his plans short makes sense. He wasn't finished, he would have done more had the 'World Shaman' not cowardly abused his power in favor of showing Honor.

    It would seem to be at the moment that you have a high standard for Garrosh to meet when it comes to what he's allowed to feel regarding the betrayal in Nagrand. Garrosh had a flawed heart in life, and apparently no amount of "chad" energy you imagined he had makes him check his own ego.

    Again I think things get muddled when we try to expand the discussion past Garrosh blaming Thrall for his untimely Death, and onto the nuances of Garrosh's many dicey relationships with characters of all kind, not only Thrall.

    Ultimately it was Thrall who put Garrosh down, (or up? On a big rock hand.. lol) and it was totally a coward move.
    At the very least of all of this, it could well be that Garrosh just made that as a badass snarky quip, which he's known for, rather than your interpretation that he's been pettily moping about Thrall the whole time. (Which, come to think of it, doesn't sound like Garrosh to me!)
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  7. #127
    He definitely stayed consistent. A violent, jackass stubborn, raging, hypocritical moron who could never take responsibility and blamed others, full of sound and fury without substance, who went out in a pointless gesture that accomplished nothing.

    Also, fun to see the same dead horses dragged out for a thorough flogging yet again:
    - ThRalL cHeAtEd!
    - GaRrOsH dId NoThInG wRonG!
    - He DiD iT FeR duH hErD!

    When in reality, that idiot led to the Orcs being sidelined in the faction they created, nearly handed the world over to Old God influence, and convinced everyone who wasn't around for the Old Horde that the current Horde are the same bloodthirsty monsters.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by briowow View Post
    garrosh continues doing nothing wrong.

    Garrosh was right
    GARITHOS was right
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  9. #129
    The best character WoW had to offer with a glorious finale. Garrosh - a true Warchief.

  10. #130
    Garrosh deserved a real cinematic...

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    He definitely stayed consistent. A violent, jackass stubborn, raging, hypocritical moron who could never take responsibility and blamed others, full of sound and fury without substance, who went out in a pointless gesture that accomplished nothing.
    The f*ck he stayed consistent..people really forget his story and how much backlash was there, because every patch he changed his goals/motivation...what we see here is the final product..thats ok. But let´s not pretend Garrosh did anything right

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    What the hell is wrong with people? he was one of the best characters in game.
    alliance players still triggered about what he did in cata-mop

    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    Fuckin' hell even Garrosh is rerolling his warrior these days.

    On a more serious note, pointlessly killing himself by blitzing an already-beaten opponent while screaming himself hoarse about how Thrall sucks is pretty on-brand for Garrosh, so at least he maintained a consistent characterization.
    he was already dead, this is more a free himself from the janitor kinda of thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razaron View Post
    Garrosh was always a hot headed brute, he had no diplomacy and was a ego maniac
    And? it what made his character good, he had real and tangible flaws that made him more humane than most humans of the alliance.
    he blamed his failures on everyone else. Thrall was the biggest target as he was most likely chilling after saving the world against Deathwing and the Cataclysm. This was probably largely Out of Character because the playerbase was tired of Green Jesus having a star role and they put him on a break.
    No no no, if you actually played/read wow, you know the hate towards thrall was totally justified by making the orcs live in poverty and famine while trying to make peace with a people who actively were murdering and holding you hostage.


    It really was only going to be a matter of time before Garrosh went down a darker path and that he did in MoP, if anything the infamous Cataclysm quest was out of sync with what Garrosh was about.
    Most of the reasons Garry went into a "dark path" was because the other horde leaders, who were supposed to advise and support him, turn their backs and tried to/sworn to, murder him. The infamous cataclysm quest was completely in character and was consistency with his past self who was scolded by Saurfang back in wtlk.

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Krowth View Post

    Aaaand he's gone again.

    At least he went out like an absolute chad.
    An excellent end, but honestly i can't help but feel he might not be gone entirely even this time around.
    This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
    Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.

    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.

  14. #134
    This cutscene is honestly just as shit as the ending one for the tier.

  15. #135
    A good end. He did not say sorry, and to me that's all the matters. I didn't want a apology from him, I love his attitude.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by cirdanx View Post
    The f*ck he stayed consistent..people really forget his story and how much backlash was there, because every patch he changed his goals/motivation...what we see here is the final product..thats ok. But let´s not pretend Garrosh did anything right
    Oh no, I agree. Even Garrosh never seemed to know what he would do next. It was some of the most schizo writing in WoW.

    I mean he was a consistently a raging idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangris View Post
    I've got bad news for you. Since the Shadowlands are a pretty stupid afterlive and you can die in there again - which results in complete oblivion - he won't ever be back. Which I would consider a positive, as at least now he will be forever safe from the horrible writing.

    If Blizzard actually manages to stay consistent for a change, that is.
    Sooo bad news, AU Garrosh is still active as the first orcish paladin, betraying the Maghari to join the light and force the others into becoming lightbound. Assuming they don't drop that plotline (maybe that would be for the best?) we may very well see him kicking down our door yelling DEUS VULT and demanding we repent for our sins.

  18. #138
    Deleting yourself from retail is the ultimate chad move

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    And? it what made his character good, he had real and tangible flaws that made him more humane than most humans of the alliance.
    He had flaws and he definitely did things wrong. I already said it made him an interesting character. I wouldn't call one of Garrosh's characteristics humane though..


    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    No no no, if you actually played/read wow, you know the hate towards thrall was totally justified by making the orcs live in poverty and famine while trying to make peace with a people who actively were murdering and holding you hostage.
    I do play and read the lore, but I also know these topics are far more complex then Garrosh fanatics like to make out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Most of the reasons Garry went into a "dark path" was because the other horde leaders, who were supposed to advise and support him, turn their backs and tried to/sworn to, murder him.
    There was plenty of times where people tried to advice the hot headed Garrosh and he ignored it. Lots of embarrassing moments too like when he got his men killed by severely underestimating his enemy of.. Quillboar. Baine came to save the day.

    But alas I'm going to debate further on this topic, I've done so for hours in the past and it's like banging my head in to a wall trying make Garrosh fanatics find a middle ground. Peace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razaron View Post
    He had flaws and he definitely did things wrong. I already said it made him an interesting character. I wouldn't call one of Garrosh's characteristics humane though..
    real humane, yes, humans are not all flowers and honey.
    I do play and read the lore, but I also know these topics are far more complex then Garrosh fanatics like to make out.
    which is again, makes the hate towards thrall totally justified, it is complex, so handwave as "Garrossh just being hothead and egomaniac" is wrong.
    There was plenty of times where people tried to advice the hot headed Garrosh and he ignored it. Lots of embarrassing moments too like when he got his men killed by severely underestimating his enemy of.. Quillboar. Baine came to save the day.
    ah yes, all the times they try to mock, disrespect and undermine him, like Cairne straight up slapping him in the face by something he didn't, vol'jin saying he was going to murder him because he was actually fighting against the alliance, Baine asking for alliance help instead of him and so on, Really good advice, that was rly the way to do things to your warchief

    But alas I'm going to debate further on this topic, I've done so for hours in the past and it's like banging my head in to a wall trying make Garrosh fanatics find a middle ground. Peace!
    i mean, there is little middle ground from since you are handwaving what the other character did, Garrosh did wrong things in th mop days, for sure, but trying to say it was all his fault and others didn't partake with that, or saying the reasons he did some things was not justified is just wrong, so, play pigeon chess if you like.

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