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    "The Meaning of the Native Graves"

    "They're good, actually."

    "People die, and when they die, you put them in the ground. There is nothing inherently scandalous about this. When the burial site of the 1636 Feast of the Dead was excavated in 1947, the only outrage—justified, mind you—was directed at those who uncovered it, and in so doing disturbed and desecrated the sacred resting ground.

    This is not to discount the deaths of children altogether. Of course, it would have been better if each and every one of the First Nations tykes Christianized by the union of Church and state had lived a long and happy life. But it is absolutely to discount the blame fixed on the Church by vicious opportunists. If anyone is at fault here—and the residential school system, for all the good of its evangelizing purpose, was hardly without flaws—it is, without a doubt, the secular authority. Had the Canadian government, which in word endorsed the Christian mission of the residential schools, upheld that word in deed by providing the funding which Church authorities repeatedly said was necessary for adequate operation, living conditions could have been improved and a great many premature deaths avoided.

    But this failure of the secular authority to sufficiently serve the Church does not in any way indict that Christian mission. And make no mistake, the residential schools were first and foremost Christian. Those who ministered to the Indians a century ago did so, like Jean de Brébeuf three centuries before, out of a sincere concern for the salvation of their souls. The political utility recognized by the Canadian government—that, as one bureaucrat put it early on, “the North American Indian cannot be civilized or preserved in a state of civilization (including habits of industry and sobriety) except in connection with, if not by the influence of, not only religious instruction and sentiment but of religious feelings”—is secondary. Likewise, the certain fact that souls were saved by the missionaries, the enduring belief of Christians that the Gospel is true and must be spread, is paramount; everything else is secondary.

    Whatever good was present at the Ossossané ossuary—where those who had not yet encountered the fullness of Truth honored their dead as best they knew how—is increased a thousandfold in the cemeteries of the residential schools, where baptized Christians were given Christian burials. Whatever natural good was present in the piety and community of the pagan past is an infinitesimal fraction of the grace rendered unto those pagans’ descendants who have been received into the Church of Christ. Whatever sacrifices were exacted in pursuit of that grace—the suffocation of a noble pagan culture; an increase in disease and bodily death due to government negligence; even the sundering of natural families—is worth it."

    https://www.theamericanconservative....native-graves/

    I make no secret of having little more than contempt for "conservatism" generally, or whatever it's masquerading as, but this is an exceptionally sickening and unwelcome way to be vindicated.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
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    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    You may want to better separate out your thoughts from what you're commenting on.

    But it's no secret that the conservatives support what happened at the residential schools. A couple of them have even stood up in parliament to make the argument that the torture, abuse, and murder was justified if it made even a small percentage of the children into Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    You may want to better separate out your thoughts from what you're commenting on.
    Yes, good call; will fix. I'm just reeling from the utter moral depravity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    the effects of colonialism never went away. certainly not the mindset justifying it.

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    What the absolute fuck did I just read?
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    What the absolute fuck did I just read?
    You just read a group of conservatives talking about how kidnapping children and torturing them into accepting Christianity is noble and good.

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    Whatever natural good was present in the piety and community of the pagan past is an infinitesimal fraction of the grace rendered unto those pagans’ descendants who have been received into the Church of Christ. Whatever sacrifices were exacted in pursuit of that grace—the suffocation of a noble pagan culture; an increase in disease and bodily death due to government negligence; even the sundering of natural families—is worth it.
    Populists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
    - Christopher Hitchens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    You just read a group of conservatives talking about how kidnapping children and torturing them into accepting Christianity is noble and good.
    "Whatever sacrifices were exacted in pursuit of that grace—the suffocation of a noble pagan culture; an increase in disease and bodily death due to government negligence; even the sundering of natural families—is worth it."

    I'll take that infraction when it comes: I hope somebody burns his house down.
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    Is this a, "It's fine we tortured and probably killed them because we saved their eternal souls! We only tortured them because the government didn't pay us enough not to!"? Because it...uh...reads like it.

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    Kek, look at this fuckin chud in his younger years.

    Thank you, American Conservative, for proving that American conservatism is well and truly a morally and intellectually dead ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is this a, "It's fine we tortured and probably killed them because we saved their eternal souls! We only tortured them because the government didn't pay us enough not to!"? Because it...uh...reads like it.

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    Kek, look at this fuckin chud in his younger years.

    Thank you, American Conservative, for proving that American conservatism is well and truly a morally and intellectually dead ideology.
    Yes, that's exactly what it is. I had to read it several times to believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    What the absolute fuck did I just read?
    Dude. Reeling.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yes, that's exactly what it is. I had to read it several times to believe it.
    Ok...I struggled with a lot of the self-felating the author did throughout the article and the frequent detours. But uh...yeah...that's...uh...a thing?

    I almost want to email him and ask him if, hypothetically, Hitler was trying to save the immortal souls of all the Jews/LGBTQ/Black/Gypsy etc. during the Holocaust if it would be just as morally defensible. I might email the EiC/Managing Editor with that question, actually.

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    What a nutter.
    "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance

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    Is...uhhhh....is this what peak Y'all'qaeda looks like?
    "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
    -Louis Brandeis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ok...I struggled with a lot of the self-felating the author did throughout the article and the frequent detours. But uh...yeah...that's...uh...a thing?

    I almost want to email him and ask him if, hypothetically, Hitler was trying to save the immortal souls of all the Jews/LGBTQ/Black/Gypsy etc. during the Holocaust if it would be just as morally defensible. I might email the EiC/Managing Editor with that question, actually.
    I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet the bank on that dude having an article or tweet somewhere slamming communists for having murderous motives in the name of utopia or something close to it.

    Lmao, didn't even have to go that far left or that far into his writing to find the hypocrisy:

    https://www.theamericanconservative....ng-and-absurd/
    Progressive social engineering has ravaged the American family for decades, and this proposal only offers more of the same. It’s trying to outsource childcare to government-bankrolled professionals without asking the important question: Whatever happened to Aunt Bee?
    "Breaking a few eggs" to forcibly assimilate the natives: good.

    Healthcare and secular education for the non-rich = ravaging American families
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    Speaking as a resident Canadian, kindly pack up your Klu Klan Krapola and fold it up until it's all sharp shapes and then ram it all the way up your unwashed asshole, your racist Nazi fuck of an author.

    It's shitmongers like this who make me ashamed I was ever a Christian (and I was; I was the kid who got booted from Anglican Sunday School because I kept correcting the Deacon as to scripture, because I had a near-photographic memory, and who nearly went to seminary rather than secular university after high school). Nothing to do with Christ, entirely to do with how corrupted His messages have become by abusive, hate-filled, tyrannical fascist fucks like this degenerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet the bank on that dude having an article or tweet somewhere slamming communists for having murderous motives in the name of utopia or something close to it.
    plenty of transphobia from the articles he's written so far. doing myself no favors by actually looking for evidence of this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    plenty of transphobia from the articles he's written so far. doing myself no favors by actually looking for evidence of this...
    Jesus wept, you made me click his name.

    A sampling of his articles;

    "Kevins Deserve Improbably Attractive TV Wives
    People who complain about sitcom husbands just hate men, and America, and you."

    I have to assume it was a response to the new show "Kevin can go fuck himself", which I highly recommend to anyone. Just know it's an anti-sitcom, going in, and is primarily a drama. Don't turn it off after the first couple minutes.

    "Bruce Jenner Is Not Running for Governor
    But Caitlyn is."

    You transphobic bigoted assmonkey. From someone who thinks Caitlyn Jenner is a murderer dipshit scumbag, but that's entirely because she killed a guy and got away with it because she's rich, not because she's transgender.

    "Is Transgenderism Just a Celebrity Fad?
    There is something uniquely American, and uniquely dangerous, about the connections between dysphoria and fame."

    May you suffer from anal fissures and may all your children turn out to be LGBT in some way. Both because of irony, and because just maybe, your genetic line would end with them.

    "First As Farce, Then As Tragedy
    We might need to resist the temptation to laugh off the woke brigade's smaller victories."

    An entire article to whine that Hasbro is now just selling "Potato Head" with both genders of accessories, rather than separate Mr. and Mrs. Potato Heads. Which is just sensible, if you think about it. The fucking potato part was always identical, you drooling gibbon.

    "What I Saw at the Capitol Riot
    It was more than a small group of agitators who stormed the building Wednesday—and what happened was only the beginning."

    Wherein he admits to being part of the January 6 riots that turned into insurrection. And where he pushes the "it was totes BLM and Antifa" bullshit. I'm pretty sure this article qualifies as "giving aid or comfort to" an insurrection, which means he should be fucking arrested and put in prison. Just for what he pushed in this one article.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Jesus wept, you made me click his name.
    Weird that a guy defending the virtues of cultural genocide and physical abuse is a complete piece of shit. Never would put that together based on this piece alone.

    https://twitter.com/DeclanLeary/stat...96857777872897

    But hey, he knows things are BASED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Weird that a guy defending the virtues of cultural genocide and physical abuse is a complete piece of shit. Never would put that together based on this piece alone.

    https://twitter.com/DeclanLeary/stat...96857777872897

    But hey, he knows things are BASED.
    Fun fact; he's also historically ignorant (shocker!)

    Istanbul was known as Constantinople in the West right through the early 20th Century. It wasn't until 1930 when Turkey chose to officially make the sole name for the city "Istanbul" and ask international agencies to only use Turkish names for locations. Up until then, "Istanbul" has been the name in Arabic scripts, but "Constantinople" was used anywhere that used Latin alphabets.

    So in 1915, the time mentioned in the statement by Biden, the correct descriptor would've been "Constantinople", as Biden used it.

    Part of me wants to believe he deliberately tried to cover up the date with his big red circle to make this harder to notice, but he's probably not that clever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Part of me wants to believe he deliberately tried to cover up the date with his big red circle to make this harder to notice, but he's probably not that clever.
    Given all available evidence, this appears accurate.

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