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  1. #201
    I think if we compare amount of content and quality for casuals WoW should cost just 1$ per month. This will be fair price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibiki View Post
    I think if we compare amount of content and quality for casuals WoW should cost just 1$ per month. This will be fair price.
    That sounds rather subjective.
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  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    I mean, you can decide how to spend your money, but even raid logging at $15 a month is cheaper than movies XD
    That’s kind of the problem though isn’t it? People think oh 15$ a month isn’t that much, and they’re content with Blizzard making bad design choices, because they know you won’t unsubscribe, because after all 15$ isn’t that much.

  4. #204
    Blizzard has a core playerbase that will pay anything reasonable to play the game because they are "addicted". Other MMOs have to fight for playerbase, best way is to make the game free and charge for bonuses. Granted, you can buy sub using in-game currency but barrier of entry for new players is still a problem - cost of the expansion + monthly fee.

    I've played several other free MMOs including Albion Online and EVE Online, these games offer great models and the games don't feel like pay to win because players have an option between real and in-game currency.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    I mean, you can decide how to spend your money, but even raid logging at $15 a month is cheaper than movies XD
    But WoW isnt a movie so it isnt a fair comparison. Why not comparate it with.....PC game pass.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by MrFawlty View Post
    But WoW isnt a movie so it isnt a fair comparison. Why not comparate it with.....PC game pass.
    If you're raid logging, which is what I was referencing, both give one evening entertainment. So price comparison is fair.
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  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    If you're raid logging, which is what I was referencing, both give one evening entertainment. So price comparison is fair.
    No you have picked a form of entertainment that you know is more expensive. You can just as easily compare it to watching Netflix or taking the dog for a walk which you wont because it loses. The true and fair comparison therefore is what it is - a computer game.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Dequanacus View Post
    I'll open up the question to everybody since I've always wanted to see someone dispute it but nobody ever does. The month an expansion comes out (at least when I played WoW) I would absolutely play more than enough in that month to warrant the expansion cost+sub fee for that month. In the months following, it just becomes a simple question I ask myself of "am I going to play this enough to warrant $15?"
    At that point, how is a sub less financially efficient than a full priced game? Certainly you spent $60 on single player games that you've spent less than a hundred hours on, and a sub is $15 dollars anyway so it'd be more accurate to say four hundred hours as you're paying four time the price.
    I simply don't see how $15 isn't worth a hundred or more hours of my time. If the counter argument is "but I don't play that much" wouldn't you simply unsub as I have now that retail no longer interests me?
    Still not sure what the issue is with sub compared to the standard of buying a game once. They could switch entirely to a cash shop but further encouraging that behavior seems like a loss since it's content that could otherwise be attainable ingame.
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  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Why does the subscription exist? Does anyone really know?

    I understand you don't have to play if you don't want to. But, I'm genuinely asking. I don't understand why it exists.

    I understand it provides more income for them and people pay it. They're also not the only game doing it. FF14 does for example.

    It made sense to me in 2004, when it was assumed it was helping to pay for the servers, which were "special" to accommodate the massive populations and remarkable for the time. It was also assumed it would be to pay for steady content updates.

    But, they need content updates or no one will play, which makes it kind of weird that we're funding them monthly in part to make content, they need to make anyway to keep people playing to buy store mounts, services, and keep interest in the game for future box sales.

    Am I missing something? Is it really just to access the game? Does it make sense?

    Update:

    We’ve gotten an answer that claims it’s in the EULA that you’re paying to access to the game. I haven’t verified that, but I’ll assume for now it’s true.

    We haven’t gotten an official answer as to “why” we’re paying monthly for access to the game yet.

    If anyone has anything solid (not your opinion) such as, but not limited to, dev interview, official posts, even dev Twitter post, post it.

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    Euuhhhhhh what?

    Services ( GM's). all the extra patches content like that. I must agree the quality of those have gone down.

    But also development cost of the next expansion.

    Its a company making money.

    Before people start raging on blizzard. Ubisoft and others use pay2win with cash items. Or put cool/handy stuff behind paywalls ( microtransactions).

    More and more games are offering base game free, but then you need to pay for the cool stuff. In the end that nets you more money then a subscription.

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    Why is WoW $15 a month? gotta pay bobby kotick bonus somehow man

  11. #211
    WoW is from the era where almost every MMO was on a subscription model. No reason to remove that sub if its still profitable. Besides, i don't think the premium services are compelling enough for most people to spend.

  12. #212
    If blizzard thought they would have more profits by making the game free and having free players buy more cosmetics in the cash shop; they would have done it already. When it comes to corporate greed, you know they are better min/maxers than WF guilds.

    Only solution is to add more cash shop items until it can balance 15$/person/month

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by zortport View Post
    If blizzard thought they would have more profits by making the game free and having free players buy more cosmetics in the cash shop; they would have done it already. When it comes to corporate greed, you know they are better min/maxers than WF guilds.

    Only solution is to add more cash shop items until it can balance 15$/person/month
    This is true and at some point may well happen. They will ofcourse have some sort of Blizztard fanboy subscripion with something like increased inventory space, access to the White Knight armour and a "free" mount every 6 months for those no longer capable of making informed decisions. The rest of the income will come from increased store sales from people playing FTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFawlty View Post
    But WoW isnt a movie so it isnt a fair comparison. Why not comparate it with.....PC game pass.
    WoW is entertainment, just like a movie is, or another streaming service.
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  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    That's interesting I didn't know it said that in the EULA. Have they ever explained why they charge $15 a month to access the game? Is it in the EULA that you know of?

    I'm genuinely just curious what their rationale is. It seems impossible to find a clear answer and the community seems to lash out or say their own rationale when its asked, without really answering.
    Do you always agree to things without reading them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Why does the subscription exist? Does anyone really know?

    I understand you don't have to play if you don't want to. But, I'm genuinely asking. I don't understand why it exists.

    I understand it provides more income for them and people pay it. They're also not the only game doing it. FF14 does for example.

    It made sense to me in 2004, when it was assumed it was helping to pay for the servers, which were "special" to accommodate the massive populations and remarkable for the time. It was also assumed it would be to pay for steady content updates.

    But, they need content updates or no one will play, which makes it kind of weird that we're funding them monthly in part to make content, they need to make anyway to keep people playing to buy store mounts, services, and keep interest in the game for future box sales.

    Am I missing something? Is it really just to access the game? Does it make sense?

    Update:

    We’ve gotten an answer that claims it’s in the EULA that you’re paying to access to the game. I haven’t verified that, but I’ll assume for now it’s true.

    We haven’t gotten an official answer as to “why” we’re paying monthly for access to the game yet.

    If anyone has anything solid (not your opinion) such as, but not limited to, dev interview, official posts, even dev Twitter post, post it.

    Thanks.
    For a few months in the last season I was a little worried.. but S2 is feeling good so..

    Why does wow cost 15U$D a month to play? To keep out the scrubknights

    F2P games are all cancer and I'm proud to play a game that at least requires you to make gold to play for free.. those scrubknights that plague the f2p games are literally EBOLA

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    WoW is entertainment, just like a movie is, or another streaming service.
    Still dosent make it a fair comparison.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    If you have a little time on your hand check out Dungeons & Dragons Online. F2P with all kinds of other stuff to pay for. Shop always in your face. Pay for character skots etc. And while you're at it play a dungeon or two, DDO doesn't have tank/hel/dps trinity and tell me how that feels

    I believe WoWs subscription model is way superior to F2P
    You're also forgetting that Blizzard charges for expansions, basically full retails games. Imagine paying a subscription Price for SKyrim or Witcher 3 to access certain questlines aka Renown levels (which they lock behind a artificial time-gate to essentially make you pay more in the long run anyway.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by itzLCD View Post
    You're also forgetting that Blizzard charges for expansions, basically full retails games. Imagine paying a subscription Price for SKyrim or Witcher 3 to access certain questlines aka Renown levels (which they lock behind a artificial time-gate to essentially make you pay more in the long run anyway.)
    You already see streaming services doing that such as Disney+ and AmazonPrime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFawlty View Post
    Still dosent make it a fair comparison.
    It is an allotted time of entertainment, so it is kinda fair?

    You have access to WoW for 720 hours pr. subscription of 15 dollars. You pay 0.02 cents pr. hour of entertainment.

    You have access to a movie in the cinema for about 2 hours pr. ticket of 20 dollars. You pay 10 dollars pr. hour of entertainment.
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  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    You already see streaming services doing that such as Disney+ and AmazonPrime.

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    It is an allotted time of entertainment, so it is kinda fair?

    You have access to WoW for 720 hours pr. subscription of 15 dollars. You pay 0.02 cents pr. hour of entertainment.

    You have access to a movie in the cinema for about 2 hours pr. ticket of 20 dollars. You pay 10 dollars pr. hour of entertainment.
    No it isn’t kinda fair, they are different forms of entertainment and sold in a different way. What you are doing is justifying high cost of WoW by comparing it to something relatively expensive on an hour by hour basis and going "Look how cheap it is".

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