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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    Sylvanas did not forget. So did Uther. Vashj, Kael'thas, Hellscream, Mograine, Draka. So did I.
    They were not transformed into any of the covenant races.

    That was before patch 9.1 and it was pretty much obvious that all covenant are all in accord with one another and continue to do so. They even made a new sigil for the new covenant.
    Yes, but they probably still somewhat resent them.

    which was the entire point of the conversation between Anduin and Sylvanas prior to him becoming DK. He submitted willingly.
    Okay. and what does it have to do with what we were talking about?

    I think it will still take a long way before Anduin takes back his role as a priest and may take up another expansioj.
    Who says he will? we don't know what the future holds for him.

    I was talking about the Forsaken when they are still human. They believe in the order of life and light.
    So, they weren't Forsaken. They were Humans.

    He was the Alliance King of Quel'thalas, imprisoned and ordered to be executed. when he accepted Vashj's offer to meet Illidan to be able to help their race's problem he didn't do it out of vengeance or retribution to the Alliance but did it for his people.
    He went to Outland to meet Illidan in hiding.
    He holds a grudge for how Garithos treated him and his people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    They were not transformed into any of the covenant races.
    They chose to retain or resemble what they look like when they're still living. But still they are now part of Maldraxxus even holding title and high rank such as Baron/ess.


    Okay. and what does it have to do with what we were talking about?
    About making the choice and practice freewill.



    Who says he will? we don't know what the future holds for him.
    Because they are just starting to get "the cause" realized, reorigination in Titan's terminology.



    So, they weren't Forsaken. They were Humans.
    What do you call Sylvanas?A ranger-general of the Highborne, she is Forsaken. How about Derek Proudmoore who was a Kul'tiran? And how about the Nightelves who joined the ranks of the Forsaken fighting at Darkshore? Being Forsaken isn't about what race you are or were but you are welcomed to be part of the Forsaken once you become an unliving with free-will. As you can see there is somewhat a pattern, most of the Forsaken used to be living Alliance. But what about those of the Horde, will they not be called Forsaken if they rise from the dead and become unliving? Most likely they will. So technically Forsaken should've been an Alliance race that got booted out because they are the living dead.



    He holds a grudge for how Garithos treated him and his people.
    A personal grudge against racial bias of Garithos. It does not reflect the sentiments of the whole Alliance, the situation got out of hand even before Kael'thas was given proper trial or hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    The covenants are the first steps into sub-factions. Blizzard doesn't needs to do anything drastic. Merely creating more of these sub-factions and allowing players to commit more thoroughly, to the point of defecting the Alliance and the Horde would be the sensible way to introduce new factions into the lore.




    This severely limits the story potential though. Death is but one of the six forces in WoW. To give it an entire faction will suddenly make the entire lore about Death.
    Yes because death signifies limit and final destination ordained to the living. There is no stopping death as it is a force to be reckoned with. It signifies your time has come to an end. And who has the power/control over the arcane,order and time?

    You have to break time to make it become "time-less/timeless" likewise death has no power or influence to those who are eternal. You have to make a time line which has point A and B as beginning and an end and make it into a loop allowing the end and beginning to be one and the same thus making a time loop. If you exist in the past, present and the future then it means you existing across time and all the time, a timeless being.

    Wasn't the purpose of reorigination to reset everything back to when it started?
    Last edited by vertigo12; 2021-08-21 at 07:32 PM.

  3. #243
    I think we're at a point in WoW time where there just needs to be one faction, the faction vs faction stuff is tired, and its becoming increasingly difficult for blizzard writers to make meaningful story on why it should be done, and when they start off with it, they just end up back at "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE (insert story character) DID THIS!!! THIS BE WAAAAHHRRRRRR!!!!" and it starts all over again on why we should hate each other again.

    We just need to love each other so we can see weird stuff like an orc and his gnome twerking in orgrimar, or a space goat and a troll trying to hit on each other and not sound awkward asf.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    They chose to retain or resemble what they look like when they're still living. But still they are now part of Maldraxxus even holding title and high rank such as Baron/ess.
    Okay. But their memories weren't erased.

    About making the choice and practice freewill.
    Okay. And...?

    Because they are just starting to get "the cause" realized, reorigination in Titan's terminology.
    Again, what's your point?

    What do you call Sylvanas?A ranger-general of the Highborne, she is Forsaken. How about Derek Proudmoore who was a Kul'tiran? And how about the Nightelves who joined the ranks of the Forsaken fighting at Darkshore? Being Forsaken isn't about what race you are or were but you are welcomed to be part of the Forsaken once you become an unliving with free-will. As you can see there is somewhat a pattern, most of the Forsaken used to be living Alliance. But what about those of the Horde, will they not be called Forsaken if they rise from the dead and become unliving? Most likely they will. So technically Forsaken should've been an Alliance race that got booted out because they are the living dead.
    Every undead would belong to the Forsaken. I don't quite get your intention.

    A personal grudge against racial bias of Garithos. It does not reflect the sentiments of the whole Alliance, the situation got out of hand even before Kael'thas was given proper trial or hearing.
    They considered going back to the Alliance in Mists of Pandaria, but the Purge of Dalaran stayed their hand. Thing is, the Alliance already has the Void elves (Blizzard's solution to High elves on the Alliance), so the Blood elves aren't going to go back to them any time soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Itori View Post
    We just need to love each other so we can see weird stuff like an orc and his gnome twerking in orgrimar, or a space goat and a troll trying to hit on each other and not sound awkward asf.
    This kind of attitude is what would ruin the game.
    Gameplay-wise, i'm all for letting cross-faction play. Lore-wise, the rivalry should be maintained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Okay. But their memories weren't erased.
    Ven'thyr, Night Faes, Maldraxxi never purge their memories when they are living only Kyrians have such practice.

    Again, what's your point?
    Anduin might need a long time and it would take a while until he reverts back ro being normal so it may take another expansion or two staying as "Mawsworne".

    Every undead would belong to the Forsaken. I don't quite get your intention.
    Correct, a bit partially. You either become a living dead as part of the Scourge, Forsaken or be one of the Ebon Blade. Fordragon is a special case of living dead since he probably died from dragon flame and we might have no idea if Arthras tried converting him to undead while inside ICC.
    Forsaken is not necessarily a "race" but more like citizenship similar how to countries allow expat or other nationality become "X citizen". Or probably the closest analogy would be being Caucasian, Asian or African but not Chinese, Indian, French or Filipino. Probably more like Singaporean,Malaysian.
    Last edited by vertigo12; 2021-08-22 at 02:36 PM.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    Ven'thyr, Night Faes, Maldraxxi never purge their memories when they are living only Kyrians have such practice.
    Venthyr, i think, take up a new name.
    Depends on the Maldraxxi, you might end up stitched up along with others to be made an Abomination.
    Night Fae are mostly animals, so i don't have much to say about it.

    Anduin might need a long time and it would take a while until he reverts back ro being normal so it may take another expansion or two staying as "Mawsworne".
    Who says he will revert back?
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