Dang, I thought this was going to be a Liz Bruenig dunk thread...
Trads be mad, barely 2 generations women couldnt have their own checking account or credit card.
Dang, I thought this was going to be a Liz Bruenig dunk thread...
Trads be mad, barely 2 generations women couldnt have their own checking account or credit card.
I remember reading some conservative author in an article about "what the GOP should stand for" in the last couple years who was just a hair away from an explicit "get women back in the kitchen." Obviously disgustingly misogynistic, but my other thought was that as someone that votes Democratic- I would really love the electoral outcome of the GOP telling Millennial and Gen Z women to get back in the kitchen and have more babies.
Yeah, one of the big problems with conservatives' yearning to return to the "traditional family" (aka 50's iteration, which was ironically a blip in terms of history) is that it is much, much harder for a family with one income these days.
"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
I don't think you need to be making a huge amount of money, though maybe we have drastically different ideas of what that is. Years ago my ex and I lived together in what was effectively this arrangement, I was the breadwinner and she basically took care of the home stuff and it worked out pretty well on a salary that was less than the median for the country at the time, while living in San Diego which is pretty expensive. Because she was at home we were able to save money in a lot of ways, especially on food. In that case it wasn't about traditional values though, she just had a significant anxiety disorder she wasn't willing to get help for (for understandable reasons). She did eventually overcome it and got herself a good job.
It's so nice to see everyone so open minded about Tradwives.
Now do Hijabs.
- Christopher HitchensPopulists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
r/thathappened, and the people you're describing are not necessarily tradwives.
Tradwife does not mean "a spouse that's focused on domestic rather than professional affairs", it refers to a specific set of ideological beliefs about the role of women in society and attempts to furnish particular social goals by encouraging that role - namely ensuring that white people outbreed minorities by prioritizing women's reproductive capacity even at the cost of their agency.
This is why fascists get their knickers twisted about feminism (and homosexuality) and are constantly promoting repackaged versions of the same paradigm. In the early USA it was Republican Motherhood, in Nazi Germany it was Neue Frau, in modern times it's the Tradwife.
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Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
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2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
Do you mean the world population, country population, or ethnic population? Because if the world pop starts declining at a steady rate I would go for very strongly pro-parenthood approach that incentivized people to have children about ten times harder than we do now. If it's for the well being of humanity, those fuck head corporations can pay up.
If the country's population is shrinking but others aren't... depends on the country. But I don't see that happening in the USA. And even if it does, there's plenty of people in other countries looking for better opportunities who would love to move here. "But what if they overtake the culture?" The US's culture is a melting pot. Throwing a few more scraps of random metals in won't change the country's culture from its already hyper diverse origins.
If you're worried about the ethnic population...
Well we know how that ends for you. Not good.
2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time. --Frank Wilhoit
I feel the same way about hijabs as I feel about skirts.
If women want to wear 'em, go nuts.
If men want to wear 'em, rock it, dude. Who am I to say otherwise?
If men want to make women wear them; fuck off, you creepy-ass motherfucker.
And trying to force women to not wear skirts (or hijab) is just as creepy-ass as the reverse. Let women wear whatever the fuck they want to.
Ironically, same position that I expressed regarding "tradwifes"; that homemakers are fine, that society shouldn't require double income families, that there shouldn't be a gender-normative restriction on it, and that it should be up to any given individual to choose their path in life.
There is actually one feminist I can think of who argues this (paraphrasing: "Harvard PhDs staying home to wipe butts? Disgusting!")--she even wrote a book called Get to Work and she was vilified for it from all sides. I think she's brave and hilarious, but w/e. It's funny that people can pretty much freely share all their thoughts on what women should be doing UNLESS they say women should work, even though it's pretty expected that men "should" be working. And we can talk daily about unemployment numbers and whether UI causes people not to work but I guess we're only talking about men because they can't mean women because that's off limits.
In case the above gets misinterpreted, I'm trying to get at the cognitive dissonance of run of the mill discussions about work bumping up against people's discomfort with saying women should work, and I'm probably not doing a good job of it, so to clarify, I think men and women should have the de-stigmatized option to work outside the home or stay home to raise children, and that we should structurally address the reality that people have and raise children without penalizing their careers for it, which women overwhelmingly bear the brunt of. What I am remarking upon is that saying women should have careers garners rage from every direction but saying women should stay home is just a topic people wrangle over occasionally.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time. --Frank Wilhoit
“Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.” -- Donald J. Trump, 2013
"I don't take responsibility at all." -- Donald J. Trump, 2020
Yes, plants/trees are not fundamental to human life with sufficiently advanced technology. That's in general though, its got nothing to do with Star Trek. Anything that can be created by life can also be created artificially because there's nothing magic about life and biological transformations. Artificial systems can do the same thing.
I don't know why people always bring up random stuff in random threads instead of an appropriate thread though.
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