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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The same thing they did with Israel...
    Israel is a country surrounded by countries that want to destroy it. I'd say it is rather different.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    What they should have done a long time ago either fully integrate HK as part of the UK or yes set them up with their own defense force and make them part of the NATO or some other alliance.
    Yes, because having an armed, heavily fortified city literally inside China, "operated and controlled by western powers" would totally not be met with extreme hostility by China. It totes wouldn't be a powder keg waiting for just one person to do one dumb thing. Totes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Israel is a country surrounded by countries that want to destroy it. I'd say it is rather different.
    As opposed to being surrounded by a country that wants to annex you and turn you into a carbon copy of itself.

    Totally different.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Israel is a country surrounded by countries that want to destroy it. I'd say it is rather different.
    It's a similar situation and there would be no natives to steal land from this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Yes, because having an armed, heavily fortified city literally inside China, "operated and controlled by western powers" would totally not be met with extreme hostility by China. It totes wouldn't be a powder keg waiting for just one person to do one dumb thing. Totes.
    Because Hong Kong totes came under UK control for a few months and no one discovered that until it was too late. The UK decided Hong Kong wasn't worth it and sent them up the river to the Chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    As opposed to being surrounded by a country that wants to annex you and turn you into a carbon copy of itself.

    Totally different.
    As far as I know, China does not want to kill every last HK citizens. So yes totally different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    As far as I know, China does not want to kill every last HK citizens.
    Nah, just the ones that question the regime even slightly.

    So clearly according to you it's fine to abandon millions of people to fascism as long as they aren't "all" at risk of dying. Clownery.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Nah, just the ones that question the regime even slightly.

    So clearly according to you it's fine to abandon millions of people to fascism as long as they aren't "all" at risk of dying. Clownery.
    I wonder who is the clown here, calling everything that you do not like fascist or fascism, from 'your high moral ground'. You are clearly hilarious, kiddo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I wonder who is the clown here, calling everything that you do not like fascist or fascism
    Are you seriously trying to dispute the fact that the modern PRC is an ethnonationalist police state? Lol.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    It doesn't help when you have MSM and big tech shilling for the CCP at every opportunity. YouTube has removed a bunch of channels or videos criticizing the CCP, which I'm pretty sure isn't a violation of their rules to criticize governments, but they think it's racist.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Because Hong Kong totes came under UK control for a few months and no one discovered that until it was too late. The UK decided Hong Kong wasn't worth it and sent them up the river to the Chinese.
    Because their legal control over the territory ended in 1997 per the Second Convention of Peking treaty, apparently, which was signed in 1898 and gave them 99 years of control.

    Or should they have sent in the British military in 1997 and just annexed the city?

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Are you seriously trying to dispute the fact that the PRC is an ethnonationalist police state? Lol.
    And so you call them "fascist" ? Quite a few country would check that box according to your definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And so you call them "fascist" ? Quite a few country would check that box according to your definition.
    Congratulations, you seem to have finally grasped the fact that fascism didn't magically disappear in 1945 and is still a persistent problem worldwide.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    It doesn't help when you have MSM and big tech shilling for the CCP at every opportunity. YouTube has removed a bunch of channels or videos criticizing the CCP, which I'm pretty sure isn't a violation of their rules to criticize governments, but they think it's racist.
    No, most tech companies walk on eggshells around China because it's a massive market they want to maintain access to so they need to bend the knee to the government and its censors. They're in it for the money, no other real reason.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because their legal control over the territory ended in 1997 per the Second Convention of Peking treaty, apparently, which was signed in 1898 and gave them 99 years of control.

    Or should they have sent in the British military in 1997 and just annexed the city?
    You are right just like China they had no choice but to obey a treaty from almost a century ago. It's not like they could have done anything to shore up Hong Kong during an entire century.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And so you call them "fascist" ? Quite a few country would check that box according to your definition.
    Bruv, there's literal cultural genocide going on within China. Have you not heard of the Uyghurs? I mean, it's been in the news so often that I can even spell it without needing to double check/spellcheck, for petes sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Britain and Hong Kong had every right to be angry at China.
    Should really try and defend British colonialism in Canada as vigorously as you defend it in China. The doublethink has never been so real

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    How would you propose UK should have done ? Give HK tanks to defend themselves ?
    Man you gotta lave these China bashing/smearing threads. There are only going to be more of them as the tables are turning. The more power West loses, the more it fumes
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  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You are right just like China they had no choice but to obey a treaty from almost a century ago. It's not like they could have done anything to shore up Hong Kong during an entire century.
    So we went from, "THEY SOLD HONG KONG UP THE RIVER!" to "Well they were obligated by the treaty you just told me about...but they should have done more before that!"

    Like what? I'm not super familiar with that century of Hong Kong history, so maybe you can share some links to help me inform myself and support your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Should really try and defend British colonialism in Canada as vigorously as you defend it in China.
    Because as we all know criticising the UK for insufficiently guaranteeing HK's independence is literally the same thing as ethnic cleansing through a residential school system. /s

    Any more shitty comparisons? Maybe some Whataboutism?
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So we went from, "THEY SOLD HONG KONG UP THE RIVER!" to "Well they were obligated by the treaty you just told me about...but they should have done more before that!"

    Like what? I'm not super familiar with that century of Hong Kong history, so maybe you can share some links to help me inform myself and support your position.
    That was obvious sarcasm I didn't think I needed to put an /s for you to get it. The British do not have the best track record when it comes to observing treaties. The situation with Hong Kong is because the UK decided they weren't worth the trouble.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    That was obvious sarcasm I didn't think I needed to put an /s for you to get it. The British do not have the best track record when it comes to observing treaties. The situation with Hong Kong is because the UK decided they weren't worth the trouble of going either direction.
    you seem to be insinuating the China is a passive player by putting it on the UK. Its not like they are currently finishing the pacification of hong kong as we speak....

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