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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    you seem to be insinuating the China is a passive player by putting it on the UK. Its not like they are currently finishing the pacification of hong kong as we speak....
    They had 100 years to do something definite with Hong Kong, China was not a strong player in 1898.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    They had 100 years to do something definite with Hong Kong, China was not a strong player 100 years ago.
    whats your point? China didnt have to take hong kong, didnt have to crack down on the protests brutally, didnt have to get rid of all political dissent. They chose to as part of their imperial project. The same reason they are purging Xinjiang.

    Next move Taiwan.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    whats your point? China didnt have to take hong kong, didnt have to crack down on the protests brutally, didnt have to get rid of all political dissent. They chose to as part of their imperial project. The same reason they are purging Xinjiang.

    Next move Taiwan.
    Taiwan would be an invasion that's different than being handed over in a silver plater by the UK. Again proof of the UK not giving a shit and not doing anything substantial about China breaking the deal.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    They had 100 years to do something definite with Hong Kong, China was not a strong player in 1898.
    Again, what should Britain have done differently, then? What could they have done? Why is it their fault and not the fault of like, literally China?

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Bruv, there's literal cultural genocide going on within China. Have you not heard of the Uyghurs? I mean, it's been in the news so often that I can even spell it without needing to double check/spellcheck, for petes sake.
    So you can call fascist or fascism everything you want ? I mean, at one point, every country did commit a genocide, so every country is fascist then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Congratulations, you seem to have finally grasped the fact that fascism didn't magically disappear in 1945 and is still a persistent problem worldwide.
    Or that your definition of fascism is extremely broad which allows you to call everything you do not like fascist (which is stupid, but we are used to it from you).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Or that your definition of fascism is extremely broad
    You'll have to take that up with Umberto Eco then.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    So you can call fascist or fascism everything you want ? I mean, at one point, every country did commit a genocide, so every country is fascist then ?
    When they were committing genocide...yes. This shouldn't be...hard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    When they were committing genocide...yes. This shouldn't be...hard?
    I guess you need to look up to the definition of fascism then. Because you do no need to commit a genocide to be a fascist and you do not need to be a fascist to commit a genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I guess you need to look up to the definition of fascism then. Because you do no need to commit a genocide to be a fascist and you do not need to be a fascist to commit a genocide.
    Cool, the genocide isn't the only thing that makes the PRC fashy. It ticks off pretty much every one of the fourteen points as a basis of government policy.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Again, what should Britain have done differently, then? What could they have done? Why is it their fault and not the fault of like, literally China?
    Again full integration or full autonomy they had 100 years to do it. China is not innocent but anyone with half a brain saw this coming a mile away. That doesn't absolve the complete failure of the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I guess you need to look up to the definition of fascism then. Because you do no need to commit a genocide to be a fascist and you do not need to be a fascist to commit a genocide.
    Don't take their favorite buzzword from them, that's cruel (and probably a fascism)
    Lives matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Don't take their favorite buzzword from them, that's cruel (and probably a fascism)
    Funnily enough, it is!

    14. "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

    You just strolled right into that landmine, huh. Lol.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Funnily enough, it is!

    14. "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

    You just strolled right into that landmine, huh. Lol.
    Since all you have in your mouth is the word 'fascism!', I wonder who has the impoverished vocabulary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Since all you have in your mouth is the word 'fascism!'
    We're literally discussing a fascist state, go figure that the word gets used a lot.

    I'm not seeing any rebuttal as to Eco's points and a whole lot of ad hominem, so I'll assume you've run out of gotcha attempts and that you agree China has gone fash.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    "Newspeak"
    You can't possibly be any more ironical bringing up newspeak, but that's alright, that's fine
    Last edited by Yadryonych; 2021-07-13 at 06:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    You can't possibly be any more ironical bringing up newspeak
    It's only ironic in that we have an actual Soviet trying to assure us that fascism and "communism" as practiced in the PRC are totally different things. Remember kids, Ingsoc, Neo-Bolshevism, and Obliteration of the Self have no similarity to each other whatsoever.

    Orwell is laughing in his grave.
    Last edited by Elegiac; 2021-07-13 at 06:38 PM.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

  17. #77
    This thread is a perfect example of the point OP (if annoyingly dramatically) was making. Tankies, infighting, open bullshit and accusations.
    USA elections of 2016 showed how vulnerable Western world is to calculated and directed propaganda, indeed repeat a lie often and it will be accepted as truth, or at least taken into account. Books will be written about that vulnerability. Not so sure about lessons learned, though...
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    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

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    Meh, it seems like wumaos aren't very effective because people don't like the CCP's China very much and nobody wants to emulate their culture, except for maybe the food which people seem to enjoy. Maybe people don't like the West either but many places work on voluntarily emulating Western norms and consuming Western culture to a much higher extent.
    Last edited by PC2; 2021-07-13 at 09:36 PM.
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  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Should really try and defend British colonialism in Canada as vigorously as you defend it in China. The doublethink has never been so real



    Man you gotta lave these China bashing/smearing threads. There are only going to be more of them as the tables are turning. The more power West loses, the more it fumes
    man, the dedication to being as hypocritical as possible in order to defend a totalitarian state just to own the libs is breathtaking.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Again full integration or full autonomy they had 100 years to do it.
    So...flagrantly violating the treaty and then expecting that modern China would still be totes cool with that and wouldn't in any way be ramping up hostilities against the foreign invaders that refuse to leave formerly colonial lands?

    I'm supportive of folks in Hong Kong, but baiting a global conflict over this isn't exactly a "better" solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    That doesn't absolve the complete failure of the UK
    "They just didn't act like an imperial power hard enough!" is not a good argument.

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