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    Chinese nationalists, Wumao Propaganda and the Rise of China

    Bad Faith, idiotic, Ignorant Chinese nationalists have been spreading the lie about Uyghur Genocide denial among many other BS. From Wumao or Ignorant propagandists like Nathan Rich, Numvues, Lee Barrett and many others on youtube and tiktok.

    This is yet even more reason why Taiwan should never let China take over, the Chinese Communist Party should never be the Global Leader.

    This is one of the infamous WuMao propaganda videos that Chinese Uyghur Genocide Denialists have been spreading.


    Nobody should ever let China forget what they're doing is Genocide, all world powers and/or Democracies should call China out on this.

    China is carrying out Genocide/Cultural Genocide (Brainwash Concentration Camps, forced Sterilization, Destroying Uyghur Churches and other atrocities) over Xinjiang for profit and the new silk road and the "Chinese Dream".


    other sources

    https://www.propublica.org/article/h...rs-in-xinjiang

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57780023


    https://time.com/6079515/xinjiang-ch...klist-uighurs/


    https://www.thenation.com/article/wo...nocide-denial/

    Melissa Chen's commentary on Chinese Communists/Nationalists with Joe Rogan
    Last edited by szechuan; 2021-07-17 at 07:32 PM.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Oh shit, you've read BBC propaganda hit piece about YouTubers who live in China and have actually visited Xinjiang.

    Lets counter that with video about BBC "journalists" who wrote that hit piece:


    and a video from Thai expat, not living in China, discussing that hit piece:


    There are plenty of videos of people visiting Xinjiang. You just need to look them up if you are really interested in topic. But I'm not really interested, so don't keep lists of them.

    To be fair, some of those YouTubers do focus lately on politics a lot, but at least they are not talking out of their arse, unlike western "journalists" who have never been to area they talk about.
    "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanoDruid View Post
    Oh shit, you've read BBC propaganda hit piece about YouTubers who live in China and have actually visited Xinjiang.
    The people who "Visit" Xinjiang are ignoring the Atrocities in the Region.

    There are plenty of videos of people visiting Xinjiang. You just need to look them up if you are really interested in topic. But I'm not really interested, so don't keep lists of them.
    And all of them ignore the Concentration Camps China has constantly lied about.

    To be fair, some of those YouTubers do focus lately on politics a lot, but at least they are not talking out of their arse, unlike western "journalists" who have never been to area they talk about.
    I've shown plenty of Evidence of other Journalists not mentioned that have been to the region, you haven't shown me any proof of what has been happening in the Concentration Camps.

    Yet even more Chinese Communist apologetics and BS Genocide Denialism, those BBC journalists were correct in calling out The Wumaos on Youtube.
    Last edited by szechuan; 2021-07-13 at 11:51 AM.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Frankly being a global leader is not really that important to me, what has America gotten as a "leader"? we are the worst domestically compared to our peers and a great deal of the world hates our guts. China is already a global leader corporations are bowing to their pressure and the last 4 years has been better for their goals than anything else. Let's also not forget America is not exactly a leader when it comes to human rights Guantanamo Bay and black sites still open, we are still in bed with tons of genocidal dictators. I think this anti Chinese rhetoric is just a primer to justify a war that China really has no interest in, they plan on taking over with soft power.

    If America was serious about containing China they would focus on limiting the power of global conglomerates because they are the ones giving them the keys to the kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    The people who "Visit" Xinjiang are ignoring the Atrocities in the Region.
    But people who have never been there are reporting those "atrocities". Makes me wonder who to believe: people who visit that area or "journalists" on different continents who have never been to that area.

    Also I wonder why those "journalists" are so focused on made up genocide, while ignoring genocide that is being committed by US and its allies. Oh right, it is never about genocide, they couldn't care less about actual people, they only care about pushing "China bad" narrative.

    Also I wonder why US suddenly removed Uyghur islamic extremist group from terrorist groups list. Oh right, they are now the "good guys" because they fit US narrative.
    "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I think this anti Chinese rhetoric is just a primer to justify a war that China really has no interest in, they plan on taking over with soft power.
    Western Powers are not interested in War with China, however China still keeps on provoking Western Powers in the South China sea and Taiwan.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...outh-china-sea
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Western Powers are not interested in War with China, however China still keeps on provoking Western Powers in the South China sea and Taiwan.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...outh-china-sea



    That would most likely start a war.
    The South China sea situation goes both ways and it's far more complicated than China bad China want war. You can start from how international waters are divided to failure of the US to secure certain alliances and trade deals. What it comes down to is this simple question, are you willing to end the world for any of these issues? because that's the bottom line both sides have nukes a war means the end of the human race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Western Powers are not interested in War with China, however China still keeps on provoking Western Powers in the South China sea and Taiwan.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...outh-china-sea
    That's backwards logic. So US ship sails near China and somehow it is China that is the aggressor? Anyone who thinks China is the aggressor here needs their head checked because part of brain responsible for basic logic is clearly not working.
    "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanoDruid View Post
    But people who have never been there are reporting those "atrocities". Makes me wonder who to believe: people who visit that area or "journalists" on different continents who have never been to that area.
    They've clearly been to the area.
    Why aren't those "Schools" open to the Public?


    Also I wonder why those "journalists" are so focused on made up genocide, while ignoring genocide that is being committed by US and its allies. Oh right, it is never about genocide, they couldn't care less about actual people, they only care about pushing "China bad" narrative.
    Whataboutism

    Also I wonder why US suddenly removed Uyghur islamic extremist group from terrorist groups list. Oh right, they are now the "good guys" because they fit US narrative.
    wrong

    https://www.dw.com/en/us-removes-sep...ist/a-55527586
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    You don't need a nuclear war to call out Atrocities being committed by China, also China is clearly interested in being the Dominant Global Power.
    We've been calling them out and again China is already a dominant global power also we have plenty of atrocities under our own belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    We've been calling them out and again China is already a dominant global power also we have plenty of atrocities under our own belt.
    Wrong, USA is still Dominant Global Power.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Wrong, USA is still Dominant Global Power.
    Last I checked being #2 still makes them a dominant global power, this is not highlander there is more than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    "ETIM was removed from the list because, for more than a decade, there has been no credible evidence that ETIM continues to exist,"
    https://www.dw.com/en/us-removes-sep...ist/a-55527586
    Yet somehow there are videos of their acts done in last decade:

    Some of those videos are from security cameras with time stamps.

    Do watch it, then tell me how ETIM no longer exists and islamic terrorists are actually peaceful nice people.

    Oh and I doubt you've heard on western media about any of the events shown in that video.
    Last edited by MechanoDruid; 2021-07-13 at 12:23 PM.
    "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Last I checked being #2 still makes them a dominant global power, this is not highlander there is more than one.
    And USA is still leading China, China is only number 2 Economically, China's Geopolitical Power is over-all weak compared to USA and is still reliant on world trade with western democracies.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    And USA is still leading China, China is only number 2 Economically, China's Geopolitical Power is over-all weak compared to USA and is still reliant on world trade with western democracies.
    What are you smoking? who isn't reliant on world trade? is the US North Korea? what kind of twisted logic do you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanoDruid View Post
    Yet somehow there are videos of their acts done in last decade:

    Some of those videos are from security cameras with time stamps.

    Do watch it, then tell me how ETIM no longer exists and islamic terrorists are actually peaceful nice people.

    Oh and I doubt you've heard on western media about any of the events shown in that video.
    That is footage of Rioters and Protestors over Chinas Oppression in the region.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanoDruid View Post
    sip.
    "Visiting" a region (the size of a country onto itself) is an idiotic refutation for the genocide claims.

    It's akin to a German saying "I lived in Germany during 1932-1945, I never seen a death camp".

    Or someone visiting North Korea today and saying "I never seen a re-education camp or any starving people".

    Like.... Do I seriously need to explain this to anyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    It doesnt destroy the land to bury styrofoam 25 feet below the ground
    Today Obama once again kneeled at the altar of environmental naziism and hurt this once great country. He has now banned all drilling in the Atlantic Ocean

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    That is footage of Rioters and Protestors over Chinas Oppression in the region.
    Yep, peaceful protesters blowing up buildings, cars, murdering innocent people. Way to go west for supporting them!
    "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    And USA is still leading China, China is only number 2 Economically, China's Geopolitical Power is over-all weak compared to USA and is still reliant on world trade with western democracies.
    The absolute sad fact is this....

    The domestic political costs for exercising serious, meaningful and sustained pressure on China are too high for Western nations.

    This dependence on trade is bi-lateral. Upsetting the balance to exercise political pressure on China will have domestic economic costs in the West, and the Western public is a lot less tolerant of discomfort than the Chinese public is.

    We love to moan about China in the west, but we just don't have the stomach for a serious trade war, especially not over some random Muslim ethnic group on the fringes of Mongolia.

    It's sad. Annoying. Morally deplorable. Nevertheless factually true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanoDruid View Post
    Yep, peaceful protesters blowing up buildings, cars, murdering innocent people. Way to go west for supporting them!
    He never said "peaceful". Stop building strawmen.

    Fact is those people are fighting for their freedom and their human rights.

    What are you? A western Tankie or Chinese CCP shill?

    WTF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    It doesnt destroy the land to bury styrofoam 25 feet below the ground
    Today Obama once again kneeled at the altar of environmental naziism and hurt this once great country. He has now banned all drilling in the Atlantic Ocean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    "Visiting" a region (the size of a country onto itself) is an idiotic refutation for the genocide claims.
    Claims need to be proven. They cannot be proven without visiting the region, by just making claims from different continent.

    Do watch video I've posted above, then tell me again about poor peace loving islamists. There are prisons for islamic extremists and China does take islamic extremism seriously, but western media tries to twist it into some genocide against peaceful muslims, while west is actually committing genocide against multiple nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    He never said "peaceful". Stop building strawmen.

    Fact is those people are fighting for their freedom and their human rights.

    What are you? A western Tankie or Chinese CCP shill?

    WTF.
    Murdering innocent people is fighting for human rights? WTF?????

    Are you so brainwashed you can't see that those "freedom loving muslims" are not any different from Al-Qaeda, but suddenly because western people are not their target, they are good guys?

    There are no excuses for committing terrorist acts against population. None! Anyone thinking otherwise needs their head checked by medical professional.
    Last edited by MechanoDruid; 2021-07-13 at 12:42 PM.
    "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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