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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    You always seem to have issues with customer service or changing your mind on purchases. I distinctly remember the saga of your customer service experience on Cyberpunk. That wasn't the first game you contacted customer support due to an issue you have or a change of mind and then complain about it.

    The last time I contacted customer support was for an authenticator key issue like years ago Resolved in like 2 mins by EA. Haven't had a serious game affecting bug or glitch since Far Cry Blood Dragon.

    I am legitimately fascinated by people who have so many issues in life.
    So a update to that I think they have a built in system to keep people from spamming it cause after 24hrs I was able to pre-order the 256GB just fine.

    Most of the time I do normally have decent customer support. But ya there has been a few cases here and there.
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Please do tell us what games you play...
    Currently playing through divinity 2 and dragon age - why do you ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    It's such a bad design. It lacks portability both in battery life and size. I'd rather just take a laptop because you'll get more storage and similar performance, just sans the control sticks. The motion sensors are a gimmick, as are the touch pad things. It'd be fine for an emulator, but other devices have better battery life

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    Lemme guess, you play Call of Duty and Halo?

    Yawn
    Halo hasn't been good since reach, CoD since Black Ops 3

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    it just seems to me to be a laptop without the ability to at least upgrade the HD or mem
    and unlike the other consoles, the games are going to be made for better hardware a lot sooner than it would in cases like with other consoles
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  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Cancelled my order of the 64GB and was going to try to get the 256GB or 512GB and now it won't let me pre-order any even tho pre-orders is still up.

    Solid service Valve...

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    Memory and Storage isn't the same thing and console players have had access to huge amounts of storage for some time. Has nothing to do with first party games from Sony being high quality and only 30GB and yet we get games like Warzone that look no where near as good and is nearly 200GB.
    Oh yeah there's no excuse for warzones size, but most big games are still more than the little 60gb this "pc" offers.

  5. #145
    Valve said it is appropriate to think of the Steam Deck as a mini PC with a controller attached.



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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by mitre27 View Post
    Oh yeah there's no excuse for warzones size, but most big games are still more than the little 60gb this "pc" offers.
    If you look at only Triple A games yes.

    Most AA and Indies are much smaller. Also there is many AAA games that don't even hit 50GB. If I recall around Resident Evil 2 Remake is only about 30GB and even the more recent village is 27.9GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Valve said it is appropriate to think of the Steam Deck as a mini PC with a controller attached.
    Honestly I agree with that.

    A main selling point for me is it will let me play MANY games handheld that Switch just won't. I've been really wanting to play DS2/DS3 in handheld and I can't cause it isn't on Switch.

    Plus FFXIV on handheld would be awesome.
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  7. #147
    For the price point it doesn't really compete with the Switch at all.
    For PC gaming I feel like with the small storage and lack of upgrades, it will be an extremely niche item. The fact that the more expensive models only offer a bigger SSD and nothing else doesn't justify the big difference in price points either, imo.
    The people who buy it either already have a Switch or never would have owned one in the first place.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by mitre27 View Post
    Oh yeah there's no excuse for warzones size, but most big games are still more than the little 60gb this "pc" offers.
    90% of the game files are textures. Often redundant textures at various resolutions. Extra redundant for a tiny 720p screen on which the difference between a mid resolution and a high resolution texture is negligible.

    But indeed this is still a gamer's problem because games rarely provide the option to download the higher resolutions separately. Rainbow Six does this but it's a rare occurrence considering how abundant pc memory is. Should mobile pc gaming become more prevalent you can rest assured that Steam will be prodding their developers to start releasing texture packs separately.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Highly looking forward to it and I hope it push's Nintendo to actually release a Switch Pro/2 sometime in the near future.
    The Switch 2 has been worked on for a while, they're probably almost ready to show us.
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  10. #150
    This thing will sell a couple of units and flop, it doesn't matter how much power it has under the hood it's not competing with the Switch.
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    - Not a propriety system.
    - No exclusives.
    - Nearly 700 dollars for the only version that is useful.
    - Not great performance compared to a desktop PC.

    Can't see it being a success myself.

    But, competition is good, Nintendo are lazy lately, so maybe good things will come from it.

    I'd probably use it a bit if i had it for free, but would never pay for it with the flaws listed above.

    If you want a portable retro machine that can emulate switch titles, better off buying a switch and modding it to be honest.

    Otherwise just buy a laptop if you want a portable PC.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Mokrath View Post
    For the price point it doesn't really compete with the Switch at all.
    How does it not?

    The Switch OLED model is $350, The Steam Deck is $399. In price alone its in direct competition.

    The people who buy it either already have a Switch or never would have owned one in the first place.
    I am a example of this not being true. I own a switch and ill own this as well. Since I can play a lot more on the Steam Deck than my switch its going to get way more game time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    The Switch 2 has been worked on for a while, they're probably almost ready to show us.
    Very likely and I wouldn't be surprised if it was slated for this year but covid happen. I fully expect to hear something about a new switch next year.
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  13. #153
    One of the benefits of Consoles is having games optimized for them, typically exclusives.

    PC games can be a nightmare due to their mix and match nature of components, with all them different drivers and what have you...

    I am curious, will the Steam Deck have PC Games optimized for it, or will the device just be treated like any other PC?


    I've been waiting a long time for the unveiling of the Nintendo Switch PRO/2, which has yet to happen... so I might get this in the mean time till then.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    How does it not?

    The Switch OLED model is $350, The Steam Deck is $399. In price alone its in direct competition.

    I am a example of this not being true. I own a switch and ill own this as well. Since I can play a lot more on the Steam Deck than my switch its going to get way more game time.

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    Very likely and I wouldn't be surprised if it was slated for this year but covid happen. I fully expect to hear something about a new switch next year.
    The $399 steam deck is garbage.

    The $699 model is the only one worth considering or nothing at all to be honest.

    And at that price point it certainly doesn't compete with the switch at all.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by NIBAXBSX View Post
    The $699 model is the only one worth considering or nothing at all to be honest.
    In your opinion, don't try to pass it off as fact. Not every game is as big as Warzone. It has the exact same amount of storage as a Switch and can have a SD card as well.

    1000's of games can be played on the base storage alone before even factoring in a a SD card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitre27 View Post
    Oh yeah there's no excuse for warzones size, but most big games are still more than the little 60gb this "pc" offers.
    I'm pretty sure Doom Eternal alone was 50GB at release, and there's been 3GB patches every couple of months since it came out. Plus The Ancient God's is like another 50 GB.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    In your opinion, don't try to pass it off as fact. Not every game is as big as Warzone. It has the exact same amount of storage as a Switch and can have a SD card as well.

    1000's of games can be played on the base storage alone before even factoring in a a SD card.
    The base model works if you are interested in indie games and emulation. For that, it'll work just fine. There are cheaper options available, but the Steam Deck is likely a more versatile one.

    If you are interested in playing full blown AAA titles and/or putting windows on the thing, you will need to splurge a bit and go for a pricier option. The base model won't cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    I am curious, will the Steam Deck have PC Games optimized for it, or will the device just be treated like any other PC?
    Like everything, I think we'll see optimized content for the Steam Deck is:

    1) It's a smash hit. And I mean it sells millions of units.
    2) Valve incentives publishers to optimize titles for it.

    I don't think it's likely that most major publishers will do so, but smaller ones and ones that are very Steam centric? Certainly possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    In your opinion, don't try to pass it off as fact. Not every game is as big as Warzone. It has the exact same amount of storage as a Switch and can have a SD card as well.

    1000's of games can be played on the base storage alone before even factoring in a a SD card.
    Enjoy those terrible load times if you use a microSDXC card. The fastest read time you'll get is around 250MB/s which is pretty slow, and that's assuming you get a V90 Class 10 card like the Kingston Canvas React Plus which caps at 256 GB. NVMe storage has a throughput of almost 8 Gb/s. That's a massive load time difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Enjoy those terrible load times if you use a microSDXC card. The fastest read time you'll get is around 250MB/s which is pretty slow, and that's assuming you get a V90 Class 10 card like the Kingston Canvas React Plus which caps at 256 GB. NVMe storage has a throughput of almost 8 Gb/s. That's a massive load time difference.
    Yes and the average user or someone getting it for their kid will not care. They will get a SD card throw it in it, maybe install windows/fortnite and be done.

    Also if you are tech savy its very likely using the same MOBO as the higher models so u likely can crack it open and install a M.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by jellmoo View Post
    Like everything, I think we'll see optimized content for the Steam Deck is:

    1) It's a smash hit. And I mean it sells millions of units.
    2) Valve incentives publishers to optimize titles for it.

    I don't think it's likely that most major publishers will do so, but smaller ones and ones that are very Steam centric? Certainly possible.
    Don't forget Valve incentivises other publishers to create competing products by showing that it can be done. I believe this to be their main goal. Making mobile gaming pc's the norm and allowing Steam to solidify itself in the mobile market.

    I hope they succeed. How awesome would it be if we suddenly ended up drowning in similar products at all kinds of price ranges.

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