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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Norton's, though his too looks groomed..less, but hulk isn't supposed to look like he is having a neat haircut, comic hulk I grew up with looked more neantherthal than homo sapien, movie hulk they are trying to make look more relatable which I don't like..

    She hulk however looked like a homo sapien, just taller, not...whatever passes for she hulk today..
    She's supposed to be hulk's opposite, kept her humanity..
    I don't understand why people like that banner (ruffalo) looks like hulk..or smart hulk, it ruins the whole jekyll n hyde concept, the whole point is that u get an uncontrolable person, its what sets hulk apart from other strong characters like colossus or the thing, those kept their persona, especially colossus
    Jesus're now attacking the MCU because you don't like the fucking haircuts....smh

    What the fuck...
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  2. #42
    Ruffalo's Hulk. 100%

  3. #43
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    there is zero question who is better actor, Edward is one of best actors EVER
    The problem is his ego, someone like Norton can't be part of a big clown group of MCU, heck an actor like Robert himself now is too big for MCU, and it is the biggest reason why they killed him off, because his salary is bigger than most movies budgets
    It is criminal to compare someone who has a lot more appearance and material as hulk vs someone who appeared only once, and was public about how bad it was making that movie
    If u want to see who 'can' be better, see Norton at his best movie vs Ruffalo
    As for who did a better hulk, it is Ruffalo but not because he is better, but because they fucked Norton own movie (mostly due to his ego and he always has view, but since he does that in all his movies and they are always great, i bet if they did let him do as he wanted, the movie would been better)
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimiOne View Post
    Not a big fan of any of them.

    In a cinematic universe where casting has been exceptional both are ...average at best. Maybe that's the problem: maybe RDJ is SO Tony Stark ( to the point that the character in comics has become RDJ) and Hemsworth is so Thor,etc. that makes Ruffalo/Norton just "meh!"( even to this day: Pugh, Harbour and Weisz are A+). They both a lack an essential tragic element that yeah, try, but not achieve.Among all the characters created by Lee/Kirby this is the one that best represent the Frankenstein Syndrome ( our fear about how the technology can change us) and is difficult to see this is the MCU.

    The character itself does not help either. The fundamental concept of Hulk is understanding this is no schizophrenia, this is not a malfunction of Banner psique. The Gamma accident created a different persona that now has to share a physical identity (not body) with Banner.

    This is the premise writters have used for the last 20 years because they understood it is the only Hulk that works and the MCU did not fully adapt to this because we have "Hulk Smash!!" in Avengers transitioning into a separate persona in "Ragnarok" tansitioning into "Banner is in charge" in End Game.

    The stupid Hulk is another aspect that got erased for the last 2 decades because it just did not work. Hulk was born in the accident so for the first years you can see him in a child state: learning and understanding his enviroment that is usually very hostile ( thank you Gen. Ross!!). Over the course of the years the character evolved and got into a mature state where the "Leave Hulk Alone!!" is no more a thing. The stupid Hulk just does not work anymore, everybody understood this ( but the MCU) because although he is not about solving diferential equations (that's for Maestro and Proff. Hulk) he shows a high tactical intelligence ( many...many...storyarcs where he wins by using the right tactic not just Smash!!). The best comparision would be Conan: is Conan stupid? No, not really. He probably knows shit about maths but he is extremely smart about his craft: fighting.

    Does anyone not love Planet Hulk/World War Hulk? Anyone? Because I have yet to meet a single person who don't. This is the right Hulk.

    So it's a combination of factors that gets piled on top of each other:

    1. Not setting a clear distinction about Banner/Hulk persona.
    2. Getting back to the primitive stupid Hulk we haven't seen for decades.
    3. Some weird course correction in the story like the Natasha affair that got solved in a head nod "Hey!", "hey!" in Infinite War ( that was...fucking weird)
    4. A narrative that usually uses him as a mechanism for other characters shine ( the fight in the Helicarrier vs Thor, the fight against the Hulkbuster...)

    ...and the most incomprehensible of all ( i'm still scratching my head in confussion): not-a-single moment of "Ohhh Fuck,fuck,fuck....Hulk is REALLY angry now...big mistake. Now hulk is gonna smash". The closest ( and is nowhere near that) is the Hulkbuster breaking a tooth and I don't say the "That's my secret Captain. I'm always angry" moment is not cool ,no, it's really cool but does not capture the idea of a emotional breakdown that triggers the Hulk real strength. Instead of using Nat's death to do that...he throws a bank to a lake...../Iwantocryjpg. There's narrative tools in the comics that just can't be translated into a film...and this is not one of them: a Hulk outburst could be a fantastic cinematographic moment and they just choose to not use it.

    So what can I say? I don't know if Marvel Studios always saw him as a secondary character ( in almost 6 hours of Inifity Saga he is in....the first 5 minutes) and I don't know the extent of how the licensing affected but we have a not great casting ( not awful either) dumped into a character that most of the times looks accesory to the story.

    It was fucking difficult for Norton/Ruffalo to shine in this context.
    Damn, you just melted my computer screen with what may just be the single most in depth description of what makes the character tick and how he should be written, and obviously has not. I feel if Norton had stayed along, maybe he could have gotten a more coherent story arc instead of becoming comic relief, but why would Feige want to butt heads with someone who may know what's best for just one of the many characters he is charged with overseeing an universe of stories for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerph- View Post
    In my opinion Ruffalo's Hulk is better.

    Also, where is this "Edward Norton being an uncooperative douche" coming from? Just curious.
    There have been rumors for years, somewhat unfounded and somewhat so in regards to the decision to re-cast Edward Norton (why would you if he gave no problems?) Norton reportedly was being, well, Norton. He's known to be very critical of the creative process and involved in wanting to do re-writes and constantly opinionate. For Kevin Feige who is paid and charged with keeping the reins and executing a coherent vision for a shared superhero universe, something Norton himself wouldn't care for. Norton supposedly was so upset with production of Incredible Hulk that he ditched promoting the movie. Seeing as Avengers was the endgame (pun), Feige didn't want any potential wolves in the hen house that could rock the house (a highly opinionated Norton who would have undoubtedly clashed with Joss Whedon and would not want to play second fiddle to RDJ's Tony Stark.)

    Feige never outright came out and said Norton is uncooperative and was replaced because of it, but he said something along the lines of "casting someone that would embody a cooperative spirit or something, here are some quotes, and also insight into how Hulk might have had a more serious arc with Norton in the role.

    “Well, no. I loved the ‘Hulk’ comics. I believed they were very mythic. And what Chris Nolan had done with Batman was going down a path that I aligned with: long, dark and serious. If there was ever a thing that I thought had that in it, it was the Hulk. It’s literally the Promethean myth. I laid out a two-film thing: The origin and then the idea of Hulk as the conscious dreamer, the guy who can handle the trip. And they were like,”That’s what we want!” As it turned out, that wasn’t what they wanted. But I had a great time doing it. I got on great with Kevin Feige.” - Norton

    In the press release announcing the decision to move forward without Edward Norton as the Hulk, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige stated the decision was made due to the need to find an actor “who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members.” Edward Norton described the press release as “cheap,” noting that wanted to take the Hulk in a direction Marvel Studios wasn’t interested in and that he admittedly wanted more money than they were willing to pay. However, the actor commended Kevin Feige for pulling off his grand plan for the franchise:

    “Yeah, which was cheap. It was brand defensiveness or something. Ultimately they weren’t going for long, dark and serious. But it doesn’t matter. We had positive discussions about going on with the films, and we looked at the amount of time that would’ve taken, and I wasn’t going to do that. I honestly would’ve wanted more money than they’d have wanted to pay me. But that’s not why I would’ve wanted to do another “Hulk” movie anyway. I went and did all the other things I wanted to do, and what Kevin Feige has done is probably one of the best executions of a business plan in the history of the entertainment industry. As a Disney shareholder, you should be on your feet for what they pulled off.”

  5. #45
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    lol Edward Norton Hulk was the best by a mile, he was bigger more ripped and looked angry as fuck.

    His fight with abomination was one of the best fight in marvel movies i can remember, that movie also brought the hulk essence, where the angrier he gets stronger he become, being able to overpower the villain, plus, it show some cool tricks like the sonic clap(?) and the seismic thing by punching the ground, awesome.

    Mark ruffalo hulk looked like a green gorila then became a joke character

  6. #46
    Norton's Banner was much closer to the typical comic version. He had the right nervous energy and haunted look of someone who is absolutely petrified about what might happen if he loses control and it's definitely a character I wanted to see explored more.

    Whether he was right for the MCU is another matter. A character like that really needs space to shine and with the Universal arrangement stopping them doing solo movies Ruffalo's more affable and goofy version probably works better.

  7. #47
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    Buffalo (Bruce + Ruffalo, i like it lol).

    Stilll haven't seen the original Hulk with Edward Norton.

  8. #48
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    no poll?

    also ruffalo. norton is a dick
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  9. #49
    I mean, Ruffalo's Hulk was turned into comedy relief. That means they had no ideas for it. I'd rather have Norton yelling at them to fix that.
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    no poll?

    also ruffalo. norton is a dick
    I mean so are the majority of celebrities in some way. Even Ruffalo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    I mean so are the majority of celebrities in some way. Even Ruffalo.
    Norton is a dick in a way that can make films worse tho. he is very controlling on set, supposedly. I'm glad Ruffalo is hulk, Norton probably would have made it a very different character, influencing the writing and stressing out the people around him, making a worse film.
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  12. #52
    Edward Norton was way better. Mark Ruffalo is a one face actor he acts the same way in every movie and is boring.

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