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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    OK so you are not a booster, you mainly want to act narcissistically in order to vent unproductively just because you love hating others.
    Realize having an unusable trade channel makes the game worse; it was great being able to sell BOE items there; it's RPG gaming.

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    There's definitely no relation to TBC. The current cancer is mainly a product of cross-realm raiding on heroic.
    There are people that do it professionally and spam every single server that exists with their alts.
    It’s a product of the token and its standardization of value for services across a region (aka metaphorical platinum).

  2. #62
    It's like complaining that most of traditional mail are adverts and taxes. People just use emails nowadays.

    Same in this situation - group finder, modern auction house and tools outside game are just more convinient than trade chat. But many people have that turn on by default, which is used by boosting adverts.

  3. #63
    I'm actually very curious when boosting exploded like that and why exactly.

    Yes it has absolutely been something since classic but like ... 100+times less, not even exaggerating.

  4. #64
    wow is dead my dude , people in charge only care about $$$$ right now

  5. #65
    I love the idea of calling them "criminals."

    Boosting isn't against the ToS. Even if it was, violating the ToS in a game is not a real "crime" lol
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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Caprias1212 View Post
    I'm actually very curious when boosting exploded like that and why exactly.

    Yes it has absolutely been something since classic but like ... 100+times less, not even exaggerating.
    People will explain away that it has always been a thing (not wrong), but what they fail to let people talk about is the extent of boosting services, the efficiency, and centralization of communities. Especially after the implementation of the wowtoken and the more recent trend from blizzard to use FOMO and seasonal play (aka fun new thing) to push player activity.

    Boosting now and in bfa cannot and should not be compared to pre-token. You can argue MoP with CMs but even that was fractured on a per server basis mostly.

  7. #67
    Idk what else trade could be used for nowadays really.

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    LOL @ the obvious upset boosters here.

    How dare you challenge their sketchy behaviour OP!
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    Does anyone like this kind of situation that has developed in the game in the past few years? I'm personally disgusted by this; it's pretty obvious most of those people are selling the gold to make real money; I'm pretty sure the majority of them are not hard core guilds in a real need to get more gold to progress in raiding.
    Yeah, it's a bit disgusting.
    But it looks like they've been trying to crack down on negative behaviour in recent years, what with their efforts against botters and multiboxxers being expanded.
    I've some hope that they'll toll the bells for this practice soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    You don't have to be "The Police" to not want criminals, or to not want the global trade channel be unusable.

    That's literally the equivalent of saying: "why do you not want murderers here?"; "you're not the police".
    They're not criminals. People selling gold for real world currency isn't criminals.

    Do you think breaking a ToS makes you a criminal?
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    Maybe that's what YOUR server's trade chat looks like. I play on Moon Guard, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SynDethroc View Post
    Maybe that's what YOUR server's trade chat looks like. I play on Moon Guard, so...
    Goldshire inn for 50 gold?

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    "Criminals"

    Fucking spat my ice tea at that. TIL that selling boosts for in-game gold makes people C R I M I N A L ! ! ! 1 1



    Since I can use Google, I've simply installed an addon which allows me to filter the boost messages. Easy.
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  14. #74
    It's the inevitable endpoint of a p2w game.

    Buy a token, get anything you want in the game.

    zero effort. hundreds of sellers, looking to both sell the gold you pay with, or guilds just saving up for inflated BoE's (boe's inflated because of the readily available token).

    If gold wasnt instantly available for anyone with a creditcard, these people wouldnt have enough customers to spam every server a hundred times a second, hundreds of groups just running the same boss every 30 minutes.

  15. #75
    I took a shot every time the OP wrote the word "criminals". I'm pretty drunk now.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Clown World View Post
    LOL @ the obvious upset boosters here.

    How dare you challenge their sketchy behaviour OP!
    Yep, sure got 'em, me and my sketchy behavior of buying hearthstone packs with WoW tokens.
    Oh wait, I might have bought a race change with another? Can't remember.

  17. #77
    use badboy addon like everyone to filter trade chat

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Marakara View Post
    Think you're gonna need more evidence that boosters are doing Real Money Transactions/Selling Gold than "it's obvious" because blizz notoriously bans people harshly for that
    Why would you believe that? First of all: they personally profit from this; the boost-ees can pay money to the devs so that they get gold so that they can give it to boost-ers.
    Secondly: the gold sellers may keep the gold for MONTHS before they sell it for real money so "they would be banned immediately" doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Lol, hardcore guilds are the ones buying illegal gold, remember the Scripe / Gallywix chat leak?

    There would be no boosters / goldsellers if there were no boost buyers / gold buyers. Maybe you should be outraged at them instead.

    Blizzard doesn't really bother. And ex-guildie of mine who went to play classic tbc boasted on discord how he bought illegal gold on classic from Chinese farmers and somehow he's not banned despite so-called "banwaves" for gold buying. Clearly Blizzard isn't very thorough. Another guy I know was temp banned on classic... for honor leeching in BGs. Certainly Blizzard has their priorities straight who's more ban-worthy.

    From what I know, most people who boost need the gold themselves for subscription tokens, raid expenses, boes... If someone's selling illegal gold it's much more likely it's the heads of those "boosting communities" that take a cut form every boost and amass so much gold they have no idea what to do with it except sell for irl money (cue Gallywix case, but also a lot of smaller boosting communties, sometimes this ends with a ban / owner stealing the gold and disbanding the community, sometimes not).

    Unfortunately the market became pseudo-monopolized by the boosting communities, small teams of boosters be it m+ teams, arena partners or raiding guilds don't stand a chance to attract customers when the "communities" outspam them and can easily attract buyers cross server and transport gold between servers easily.

    It's a cartel system where the hoes get blamed, but the pimps run scot free, and the customers pretend to be upstanding citizens.
    I don't give a shit about the boostees either. If they could both stop this nonsense it would be great.
    Why the hell do the boostees think it's an achievement to pay to win anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertColvert View Post
    the criminal thing doesn't make sense

    but boosting is bad for the game but it's a vey profitable thing for both blizzard and boosters

    it's also a huge f*** off to all the other players who don't want to be part of that system - who want to interact with people to play together rather than a transaction focus communication

    and by the way if you don't like to interact with people you have nothing to do in a mmorpg

    no wonder everyone is leaving for FF XIV

    I mean what kind of game is that, where the meta is to buy tokens with real money to get a boost for content you don't want to do/ you're too bad to do, don't have time to do (why do even play then ?)

    wish blizz would do something about it but at the same time why would they ruin they're cash flow ?
    Don't they have pay to win schemes like this in ff14? I'd be surprised if they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    So they're NOT criminals. Case closed.

    "They probably, maybe, technically, might, possibly, not pay taxes" is not a reason to call someone a criminal, or we're all criminals.
    Why are you all criminals? If you defraud Blizzard and then don't declare taxes you are. Not always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Not sure what your server is, but luckily I don't experience that on mine. As well, Blizzard has announced that they do not mind using Trade Chat for boosting advertisement, as it is against the rules to do it in the LFG tool. If you wish to be rid of it, of course, you can block it, and if it is too aggressive from one account, then you report them for spamming.
    Pick any server with high population, especially those that have a top 20 guild in them. The spam is hilaaaaaariously high; what pisses me off is that they're not even from the guilds in the realm; they're almost always level 1 alts of people that have made it their job to boost others and keep spamming multiple servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchpotato2013 View Post
    It’s a product of the token and its standardization of value for services across a region (aka metaphorical platinum).
    Perhaps, however: I suspect it's also a product of people selling the gold for real money.
    You might be very right though that the "legit" money of Bliz made it way worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    It's like complaining that most of traditional mail are adverts and taxes. People just use emails nowadays.

    Same in this situation - group finder, modern auction house and tools outside game are just more convinient than trade chat. But many people have that turn on by default, which is used by boosting adverts.
    It's not the same at all. In your regular mail you're not going to have 90% of it being level 1 alts of people that made it their job to spam 10-20 servers all day 24/7/365 without even being from those realms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caprias1212 View Post
    I'm actually very curious when boosting exploded like that and why exactly.

    Yes it has absolutely been something since classic but like ... 100+times less, not even exaggerating.
    It's probably true that the token made it much worse. I bet people now try to buy EVERYTHING blizzard sells with gold.
    If they keep spamming mounts and other microtransactions then boosters may multiply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    I love the idea of calling them "criminals."

    Boosting isn't against the ToS. Even if it was, violating the ToS in a game is not a real "crime" lol
    I meant there those that sell the gold for real money, and obviously don't declare it for tax at all,
    and if they do that systematically they are usually criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    Pick any server with high population, especially those that have a top 20 guild in them. The spam is hilaaaaaariously high; what pisses me off is that they're not even from the guilds in the realm; they're almost always level 1 alts of people that have made it their job to boost others and keep spamming multiple servers.
    Well. I am on a high population server, though. I guess it is more servers where there are trending guilds and streamers.
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  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Couchpotato2013 View Post
    People will explain away that it has always been a thing (not wrong), but what they fail to let people talk about is the extent of boosting services, the efficiency, and centralization of communities. Especially after the implementation of the wowtoken and the more recent trend from blizzard to use FOMO and seasonal play (aka fun new thing) to push player activity.

    Boosting now and in bfa cannot and should not be compared to pre-token. You can argue MoP with CMs but even that was fractured on a per server basis mostly.
    It probably became way worse with the pay to win systems. E.g. top 20 guilds give BILLIONS to get BOEs early with gold, and I bet a ton of legit players try to buy EVERYTHING from the Blizzard shop with gold and the only way to do that fast is to spam trade chats with boosting services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zypherz View Post
    Idk what else trade could be used for nowadays really.
    Communicating with your realm for a change. Don't guilds still need to be in the same realm?
    They didn't make mythic region-wide: did they?

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