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    How are we even supposed to sympathise with Sylvanas when she's such a hypocrite?

    I don't know where they were going with this

    "I will never serve."

    Okay Sylvie, but what about everyone else you made/wanted to make serve you??

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    Literally torturing derek proudmoore to make him serve

    Telling to herself that "They too will serve me" about her sisters in her comic.

    About N'zoth "In the end, he too will serve death".

    What about Sira and Delaryn?

    What about Godfrey, ashbury and that other guy?

    What about her torturing Koltira in her sex dungeon?

    Or saying that the boy king anduin will kneel before her throne

    What's even more stupid is that The Jailer used Domination magic on Jaina, Thrall and Bolvar, and not her. He told them to serve, not her?? Why did she even get triggered by that? Besides, why in the world would she care? She hates all of them, She kicked bolvars ass, she literally sent assassins after thrall and she attempted to kill Anduin and Jaina in Lordaeron.

    Though kinda off topic with N'zoth, "He too will serve death" so he may appear later in the shadowlands?

    Bad writing is one thing, but this is completely nonsensical. Honestly, what does Blizzard even see in Danuser? Why can't they demote/fire him? It's so obvious literaly no one likes his writing. Miss the days of Dave kosak and Chris Metzen. The lore didn't really hit rock bottom before the WoD ending, but before that it was tolerable. Now it's just I don't know. Atleast the Jailer won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Cough View Post
    I don't know where they were going with this
    To be fair neither did they.

    Why do you think they leave so much shit unanswered and / or ambiguous all the time?


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    Most fictional characters are hypocrites because most real people are hypocrites.

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    We're not, the people who like her are either edgelords or white knights...one loves her hypocrisy and the other it doesn't matter which she does to them. She literally abandoned them in BFA and they still stare at her like she is a innocent little flower.
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    hopefully we will soon be done with World of Sylvanas

    it's kinda sad tho that they destroyed a character that used to be really cool, a long time ago

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    Do not worry, the 12th pre-rendered Sylvanas cinematic is coming, that will help you sympathise with her.

    Meanwhile literally every allied race leader like Alleria, Umbric, Moira have been gathering dust for years, but no matter, watch the shiny new CGI Sylvanas cinematic!!

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    It's just a 200IQ 5D chess story you're too stupid to understand.

    -danuser, probably.

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    Once a character starts indulging in the suffering of innocent, or even guilty people, it's over. There's no coming back from that no matter how good their initial reasons were.

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    I was ofc never a fand of undeads nor sylvanas. But seeing even Sylvanas fans disliking the xpac story should eventually make them realize that the story is crap.
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    Because family, strong independent women, her sisters will save her and go she has a complete soul now. She is all better and nothing she did matters because she only had half a soul. It wasn't her fault she was being tricked and controlled!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vilememory View Post
    Because family, strong independent women, her sisters will save her and go she has a complete soul now. She is all better and nothing she did matters because she only had half a soul. It wasn't her fault she was being tricked and controlled!
    Now that is a funny joke, implying that Alleria and Vereesa would even be featured in Shadowlands in the first place.

    What will happen is that it will be Thrall, Jaina, and Anduin (the holy trinity) to save her.

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    @OP Idk if she's actually hypocrite or just a king-size moron.
    If the Janitor managed to pwn Azeroth:

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    I don't.

    I have sympathized with her when she was turned into a banshee and when she was forced to watch the destruction of her homeland, but these times are far from WOW characters and us now,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Do not worry, the 12th pre-rendered Sylvanas cinematic is coming, that will help you sympathise with her.

    Meanwhile literally every allied race leader like Alleria, Umbric, Moira have been gathering dust for years, but no matter, watch the shiny new CGI Sylvanas cinematic!!
    Please don't talk about those characters "gathering dust" when a single one of them has gotten more spotlight than any of the Mag'har characters, oh sorry, I meant Mag'har character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Please don't talk about those characters "gathering dust" when a single one of them has gotten more spotlight than any of the Mag'har characters, oh sorry, I meant Mag'har character.
    And please don't try to make me feel bad for the Mag'har when they had an entire expansion dedicated to their homeworld, culture, traditions, society, etc.

    No wait, actually they had 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Please don't talk about those characters "gathering dust" when a single one of them has gotten more spotlight than any of the Mag'har characters, oh sorry, I meant Mag'har character.
    Tbf Geya'rah is one of the only characters in the entire game I find more unlikable than Sylvanas.

    "You guys are all cowards for betraying the Warchief! Baine is a traitor and should be executed as such, along with everyone even remotely disloyal to- Wait, what do you mean Sylvanas just bailed on the Horde in its entirety?... Welp, time to let bygones be bygones! No hard feelings, right everyone?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Now that is a funny joke, implying that Alleria and Vereesa would even be featured in Shadowlands in the first place.

    What will happen is that it will be Thrall, Jaina, and Anduin (the holy trinity) to save her.
    Hate to admit it but I kinda want to see Alleria in shadowlands

    She said N'zoth would serve her master

    Maybe he actually did. They said Old gods are outside of the cycle of death, so what if Ny'alotha is like where twilights hammer cultists go where they die and it's one of the many realms in the shadowlands? Maybe have Alleria go all like "Why am I hearing whispers in the shadowlands." Then we finally get our fking Ny'alotha zone and not a Raid
    An'u belore delen'na

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Thrall, Jaina, and Anduin (the holy trinity) to save her.
    These three together are getting rather stagnant at all. There's nothing personally at stake for them. They're just involved, either willingly or unwillingly in other people's affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirdus View Post
    Tbf Geya'rah is one of the only characters in the entire game I find more unlikable than Sylvanas.

    "You guys are all cowards for betraying the Warchief! Baine is a traitor and should be executed as such, along with everyone even remotely disloyal to- Wait, what do you mean Sylvanas just bailed on the Horde in its entirety?... Welp, time to let bygones be bygones! No hard feelings, right everyone?"
    It gets worse when they had so much untapped potential for Mag'har characters, you could have a blackrock engineer dude with badass machinery, shadowmoon void cultist, funny haha laughing skull men, Shattered hand lunatic e.t.c.. Yet they somehow chose the most generic option possible, not only that, they gave her the Warsong armor despite being a Frostwolf herself.
    It is single-handedly one of the most confusing character additions yet, and it makes slightly more sense when you hear that Danuser hated making the Mag'har scenario, I didn't get in the hate-train before he said that. No passion in creating interesting characters, just literally threw in the absolute bare minimum.

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    Geya'rah towers over every other BFA Horde character in terms of motivation for turning to Sylvanas despite being a blank slate coming from a painful set of contrivances.

    She actually has a reason to follow the Blood Oath from a cultural standpoint. Being essentially an Iron Horde orc with the serial numbers filed off she obviously doesn't give a flying shit about raising Derek, what with her henchmen eating the souls of Alliance troops just five minutes away, much like no one else should. Her allegiance aligns with her classically orcish views and her conclusion isn't to immediately become an Anduinist but only to pay more attention next time about the Warchief actually buying what they're selling. She and arguably Talanji are the only ones in the Council that aren't interchangable peaceniks that could be switched out in any given scene without any change in the plot and the Mag'har are the only race to suffer zero adverse consequences from BFA.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

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