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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by Zmagoslav View Post
    The shift happened before he started streaming it.

    It was less his popularity, than FFXIV being the only other MMO with some sort of potential on the market.
    Well, at least that was it for my guild. Nathria, combined with the general bleak state of SL was what pushed us over...
    The effect is also rather temporary... not that people will go back to WoW, they will just get bored by FFXIV too.
    It definitely got a lot of new players into the game, however it's impossible to say if those players will stay or not. If you're playing it just because your favorite streamer is I'd guess that you'll be less likely to stick around for the long haul.

    The real exodus started about a month after shadowlands launched.

    Casual players realizing that they were once again without a meaningful gear progression path just up and left. Blizzard are funny that way, one patch you can have great gear progression and in the next it's shit. FFXIV is solid as a rock in that regard.
    You could see this very clearly on web sites that tracked covenant choices. In the beginning in was very diverse but after two months or so only the minmaxers remained, Preach even made a video at that point in an effort to prove that everyone in the game minmaxed covenants.

    It wasn't only that of course. WoW has been very up and down after Ion took over, Legion for all its flaws really only being the only up.
    It takes a lot to drive players away from their MMORPG of choice but they managed to do it through years of neglect and mismanagement.

    The bulk of those who remain now are the hardcore players who'll never quit no matter how bad it gets.

  2. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Lol.. literally a boomer arguing on the internet about topics he doesn't understand if you haven't even heard of Amongus or Fall Guys. No wonder you don't understand the concept of how effective sponsoring streamers is.
    Why answer questions with insults? That's very unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Look at games like Amongus or fall guys and tell me streamers don't have effect on game sales with a straight face.
    Streamers get paid millions out of kind hearted charity not because they do actually have such massive pull.
    When Ninja and Shroud got paid millions to stream apex it was just a weird coincidence that the game blew up higher than ever right after that.

    Hopefully more brainwashed wow players wake up and heal trying other games from ff xiv to new world or aoc or anything else, forcing Lizzard to make actual changes towards a better player experience.

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainV View Post
    We cant deny, while XIV is an amazing game, what has undeniably boosted its popularity, is the streamers.

    And while one might say XIV wasnt really affected by Asmongold, it was just people bored of WoW or other MMO's, theres no denying his opinion being positive towards the game helped sway people that were indecisive to give the game a try.

    I legitimatley believe weirdly enough this only prooves influencers actually do have the power to turn the tide of an MMO.

    The opinion of one guy literally caused the servers to run out of space overnight, and yes, that was his influence, 200K people watched him at the same time during peak on his first run and over 1 million people viewed over the day alone.

    1 million people, watched a guy play XIV.

    And now, alot of people are playing XIV.

    This isnt just some random chance, its truth, influence, popularity, its very much what defines an MMO, look back at WoW's machinema days, Illegal Danish, the Grind, the Machinema that came from WoW really did help rise its popularity just from showing the games visual potential.

    Literally you could just start seeing people make Machinema of XIV next and it'd skyrocket its popularity even more, passive entertainment leads to curiousity, leads to trying the game, and in some cases, not all, but some.

    People will buy, sub, and play the game long term.

    Im pretty hyped for Endwalker for this fact alone, this should likely be a wakeup call to Squeenix to put more money into XIV's development over certain "other" projects that didnt do as well *eyes a certain marvel MMO* and likely means they'll see the XIV budget increase, which means more content because more development and development equipment/resources.

    So... yeah, XIV's doing great, Asmongold wasnt the thing that made it great, it had many reasons to be great.

    But Asmongold undeniably made it greater.

    As for its weaknesses? Sure, XIV has a few, I can rip into alot, the 1-50 experience is slow, but definatley better since 5.3, the content combat is slower than wow and wont feel as epic at first but the reward of the challenge defo makes up for it. Raids dont have 14 bosses but instead are divided over 14 single fights, which is a balanced point rather than a bad or good one.

    Content in this game just, has a feel that I can only describe as the WOTLK effect, the era in which wow peaked at its most potent. Casual players have something to do from all spectrums, the ones that want random crap to do (Glamors/bard/dancing/mailbox casuals in limsa/ul'dah) the crafters (that actually have an endgame, wtf?), the raids, which are well rounded for differnet levels of challenge as opposed to one.

    Is it a weeb game too? Idk, I actually argue that FFXIV may be the most Western-friendly JRPG/MMO ive seen considering that it actually makes content thats surpisingly easy to follow lore wise and localised well to make it easy to figure out the world and the setting rather than it being too weird/complex.

    Sure, it has those anime tropes, and rediculas moments but... Ive been playing 3 years now since Stormblood 4.5? And... honestly, this game may very well be my new home.

    So yeah, thanks to Asmon for trying it, and frankly, I hope he continues to enjoy it, and if he finds something wrong with it, let him, and let other people, the game isnt for everyone but its a damn good game all the same.
    Its going to fade away. I mean, FF has been out for quite a while. What has stopped the masses/Streamers playing the game months back? Nothing. They were busying playing something else.

    Whats special this time around is somewhat of a perfect storm. Streamers(like Asmongold) loves to shit on wow all day, every day, for literally anything. At this point, Blizzard cant do anything right. It gains traction, viewers(twitch/youtube) and the general consensus is to shit all over wow. It doesnt matter if they are subbed to the game or not. So when another MMO is out there with a decent following and aint that bad - streamers ofc jump on it, generates alot of views.

    Then you have the so so delayed 9.1 patch that really took a toll on people. Its a great patch, but we had to wait a bit to long. Meaning whatever they would bring in 9.1, people would complain about it.

    On top of that theres how long people have been playing wow. Asmongold, other wow streamers and those on this very forum has probably played wow for over a decade. Imagine playing FF for over 15 years, doing more or less "the same" in new places/zones. Wouldnt people be shitting on every patch saying "its the same" ?

    I remember back when GW2, SWTOR, RIFT and whatnot launched. For months wow was considered "dead", "old" and it was all over. Nothing of that happend. All Blizzard needs to do is making quality content that people enjoy. Thats probably the biggest hurdle, cause right now BLizzard themself is to blame for the pickle they are in, but thats another discussion.

    In the end people are, after all these years, getting tierd of playing wow. they want a new MMORPG to take them away like wow once did. Right now people think its Final fantasy, but it wont be. It wont be new world either(by the looks of it) and probably not AoC either. People want the feeling that wow once gave them and are searching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorkreist View Post
    Streamers get paid millions out of kind hearted charity not because they do actually have such massive pull.
    When Ninja and Shroud got paid millions to stream apex it was just a weird coincidence that the game blew up higher than ever right after that.

    Hopefully more brainwashed wow players wake up and heal trying other games from ff xiv to new world or aoc or anything else, forcing Lizzard to make actual changes towards a better player experience.
    This is something we should all hope for. Competition is often times good, and it certainly is in this case. For to long Blizzard has been alone in the MMORPG genre without any big competition. Hopefully this makes them deliver better content.

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    The steam sale for the game + expansions at the same time certainly helped aswell. I don't think its all Asmongold, but I do think he helped accelerate that snowball a noticeable amount to be sure. Something even he seemed kinda taken a back by. While I don't watch Asmon a lot, I did watch a stream once to decide if I should, and because of said stream I decided I wanted to give it a try.

    And while a bit of a culture shock at first its a great game! Currently between Heavensward and Stormblood, switching between Gunbreaker, Dark Knight & Samurai. I didn't love the ARR story, but I did love the Heavensward story, and it actually brought me to tears more than once (in a good way).

    Big fan of the Job system where you can play any role and do any profession all on one character. Its always something I loved in Runescape, and I never got why WoW had so many restrictions on that front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JABoyle3875 View Post
    I too am grateful for his affect on FFXIV.

    Assmanbald spreading his stank to FFXIV, and more importantly getting people who like/follow him to play it, makes it VERY easy for me to pass on giving it a shot. That means more money in my pocket, and that's a win.

    I will NEVER, EVER, figure out why people like that manbaby.
    Great! I don't watch him, but I'd rather have an influx of random players, than people like you with a holier than thou personality complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xykotic View Post
    Great! I don't watch him, but I'd rather have an influx of random players, than people like you with a holier than thou personality complex.
    While the person you quoted was a little... assertive, I do have to say, an influx of players is good but an influx of empty shells is not. With all due respect, that's what you get with his crowd. You get (for a lack of a better term) "mindless zombies".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soimu View Post
    I would not mind the grind in wow if it would be shared with other characters, like having all reps, currency and all achievements shared but the thought of having to do same shit on all characters made me quit in the end.

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    Man wow players are so dumb lol, a few months ago they said Shadowlands is one of the best expansions. And is not the first time.
    Except I never said that. I knew it was going to be awful from the first trailer and I was right.

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaetha View Post
    It's not the better game. There are parts that are better, but the core gameplay loop is terrible.
    How are the core gameplay loops of WoW and FFXIV so different that one is OK and the other is terrible?

    I don't see them as being THAT different.

    Can you elaborate?

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    World of Warcraft have "Figureprints", while FinalFantasy 14 has "Pillowprints"....
    Example:
    Jokes aside, the only reason i think people play this game, is because of the female characters. Most of them in the game (Player characters) have bikinis, slut outfits and almost naked outfits. Is just a bunch of horny dudes, pretending liking a game just because the game sells them cheap "sex" to them.

    In terms of gameplay is lame. I dont get it where is the fun in FF14.
    If the "sexy stuff" is the only thing you can find that people might like in this game which is full of content that millions of people like and enjoy....maybe you're one of those "horny dudes."

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    World of Warcraft have "Figureprints", while FinalFantasy 14 has "Pillowprints"....
    Example:
    Jokes aside, the only reason i think people play this game, is because of the female characters. Most of them in the game (Player characters) have bikinis, slut outfits and almost naked outfits. Is just a bunch of horny dudes, pretending liking a game just because the game sells them cheap "sex" to them.

    In terms of gameplay is lame. I dont get it where is the fun in FF14.
    "I don't get it so everyone else must be horny." Nice take, but faulty

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by JABoyle3875 View Post
    I too am grateful for his affect on FFXIV.

    Assmanbald spreading his stank to FFXIV, and more importantly getting people who like/follow him to play it, makes it VERY easy for me to pass on giving it a shot. That means more money in my pocket, and that's a win.

    I will NEVER, EVER, figure out why people like that manbaby.
    I'm glad that this keeps people like you away from the game.

  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    the only reason i think people play this game, is because of the female characters. Most of them in the game (Player characters) have bikinis, slut outfits and almost naked outfits. Is just a bunch of horny dudes, pretending liking a game just because the game sells them cheap "sex" to them.

    In terms of gameplay is lame. I dont get it where is the fun in FF14.
    I started playing FF14 because BFA made me hate WOW (as a Night Elf/Forsaken player), my friends were playing FF14, and it had a 2 expansion long free trial.

    I found FF14 dreadfully boring and slow 1-60. Stopped playing several times. But getting in the expansions, the story and characters grabbed me, and I would call Shadowbringers a 10/10 story.

    Story matters more to me than gameplay, which is why BFA made me quit WOW, and why I play FF14 now.

  13. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by dizzzave View Post
    I'm glad that this keeps people like you away from the game.
    While the person you quoted was overly assertive, why are you glad? His opinion (in a less descriptive manner) is shared amongst a lot of people.

  14. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Jokes aside, the only reason i think people play this game, is because of the female characters. Most of them in the game (Player characters) have bikinis, slut outfits and almost naked outfits. Is just a bunch of horny dudes, pretending liking a game just because the game sells them cheap "sex" to them.
    This is the "only" reason you think people like 14? I mean, sure. There's bikinis and skimpy glams around, undeniably. But this just seems like you've looked up like one or two screenshots of players wearing bikinis and based your entire opinion of the playerbase solely on that, making no effort to think about or develop your take beyond that. If "cheap sex" was all this game was selling its players, would it really have survived this long? If ogling catgirls in swimsuits is what people want, they can surely do better and cheaper than keeping FF14 on their computer.


    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    In terms of gameplay is lame. I dont get it where is the fun in FF14.
    That's fair enough, not everyone will. I tried and quit FF14 a while ago in the past, while I was still heavily entrenched in WoW. I also thought the gameplay didn't do it for me compared to WoW. Even now, having completely quit WoW and gone totally over to 14, I still think WoW wins out from a raw gameplay perspective, and that'll probably keep a lot of people over there, rather than over here. Which is fine. Personally, the fun for me comes from being totally engrossed in the whole story, the characters, and the general aesthetic and music. Not everyone's going to hold stuff like that anywhere close to something like gameplay, and that's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Jokes aside, the only reason i think people play this game, is because of the female characters. Most of them in the game (Player characters) have bikinis, slut outfits and almost naked outfits. Is just a bunch of horny dudes, pretending liking a game just because the game sells them cheap "sex" to them.
    I think the slut impression is because the vocal minority of people who post screenshots/fanart to twitter and forums are into slutmogs. Your average player probably doesn't care that much. You don't see people posting screenshots of their male characters that much because why bother? They don't get the attention cute or sexy girls do. Same reason why fanartists primarily draw female characters because when they draw males they're lucky to get half the upvotes/likes/replies. Waifus are what gets upvoted and reposted online.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Dude, that starting "uniform" you get when you play a new character, is a slutmog. I mean this one:

    Please, stop with the bullshit that people are the ones to be blamed, when the designers put "that" outfit as the first armor you get in the game. You can see your female character underwear under that skirt. Don't tell me that the devs didn't sexualized this game a lot.
    I don't deny that the sexy outfits exist, I'm just disputing the idea that "the only reason people play this game is because of the female characters". It's a reason for sure, but not the only reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    The design is too simple. Do these quests, level up with just quests or try the impossible way to grind your way to level 50. The lack of dungeons finder systems, makes this game more slowly + the lack of socialization on it.
    Have you tried pressing the button U while in the game? You will be pleasantly surprised. You need to be level 10 I believe and it only adds dungeons/trials/guildhests that you have unlocked via the story. And that's for the auto-queue like LFD, there is also the option to create your own group via LFM from the social menu. Doing it via the daily random queue though, gives you a lot of XP and helps go to 50 quickly, even though you still have to do the story at least once. Also, don't neglect your job quests, they also guve very good XP and nice gear, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Dude, that starting "uniform" you get when you play a new character, is a slutmog. I mean this one:

    You consider this a "slutmog"? Holy shit, we have some wildly different ideas on what would constitute "slut" if this is how low you set the bar for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    I rarely come across a male character. And those big brutes, that i don't know what their race is called, are super rare to find.
    Roegadyn. Yeah, they're uncommon, though the "big, broadshoulered hunk" physique is somewhat popular in NA and EU. A few days ago on the official forums, a census was posted showing that there was a grand total of like 50k male Roe and Hrothgar players, with like 2/3rds of the players of that physique being Hrothgar, which I think goes to show that it's not so much that the physique was unpopular but more that people just didn't think Roes looked that good and just didn't play them until a better looking variant (Hrothgar) came along. Hardly anyone in Japan plays that physique, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You consider this a "slutmog"? Holy shit, we have some wildly different ideas on what would constitute "slut" if this is how low you set the bar for it.
    Dude sounds like he just stepped foot off the Mayflower.

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