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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Stabbyfists View Post
    The whole FFXIV vs WoW crap is stupid
    Yup.

    They're video games. Play the ones you want, when you want. Let other people do the same.

    This religious shit gets old fast.

  2. #402
    The "Asmongold Effect" is pretty much a capstone moment on the movement of people from WoW to XIV over the course of the past few months. I had started noticing more and more "Former multi-year WoW vet tries XIV" vids on Youtube starting around March-April and they continued to increase as more and more of the bigger names amongst WoW content creators started trying their hand at the game.

    That said, here we are now having received 2 updates on server/population status from Yoshida this week as servers pretty much always have at least a short queue to log in, even during non-peak hours. Game has absolutely exploded over the past couple of months, despite not having had any major patch in almost that same timeframe. But that's kind of irrelevant to new players since everything in the game is new to them...which is part of the point; there's years worth of new content to play in XIV, whereas with WoW you're railroaded into the current xpac while everything else is "old shit, who cares, lul", more or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabbyfists View Post
    The whole FFXIV vs WoW crap is stupid

    FFXIV would not exist in its current state without wow, Yoshi P said so himself. He and his development team looked at the disaster 1.0 was and started playing WoW at the tail end of Cataclysm, and Mists of Pandaria and took inspiration from it. They Took inspiration from Cataclysm and ended the world and remade it, Nidhogg was basically Deathwing done right, but Yoshi himself said if wow did not exist, we would not have FFXIV in its current form.

    We should hope and pray WoW bounces back cause we don't want FFXIV to be the only thing and top dog cause thats when the higher ups step in, start to micromanage the shit out of things, implement predatory monetary systems and the quality starts to dwindle because the higher ups think the game is now "Too big to Fail" which is what happened to WoW.
    One thing I will say, and I don't get why people always ignore it when discussing the two games, is that FFXIV's monetization is just as predatory as WoW's, if not more predatory.

    For one, in WoW you can get any shop item through gold via WoW Tokens, including your subscription. WoW's shop is also pretty quaint compared to the Mog Station, in terms of what's on offer.

    Both have cosmetic mounts and pets, but the mounts and pets in WoW are consistently $25 and $10, while in FFXIV they have a bunch of different mounts that cost up to $40. FFXIV also has a variety of cosmetic transmog items, old event items, furniture, emotes, etc. And FFXIV also has pets that can only be obtained by buying the $50 OSTs.

    I just don't get why people let FFXIV slide on its microtransactions but double down on attacking WoW's, often in the same breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    The "Asmongold Effect" is pretty much a capstone moment on the movement of people from WoW to XIV over the course of the past few months. I had started noticing more and more "Former multi-year WoW vet tries XIV" vids on Youtube starting around March-April and they continued to increase as more and more of the bigger names amongst WoW content creators started trying their hand at the game.
    It's important to note that FFXIV is doing an ongoing Twitch promotion through most of August where FFXIV players can get an exclusive mount for gifting subs to participating channels. That in all likelihood has a lot to do with the recent attention streamers have been giving it, since they get free subs from viewers.

    Obviously some will stick with it or genuinely wanted to try it, but the promotion is giving them incentive to play and stream it right now.
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  4. #404
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    Becaus it basically is. Every corner u turn there’s a naked catboy. It’s an infestation and it’s repulsive and degenerate
    Do you feel the same way with skimpy transmogs in WoW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    One thing I will say, and I don't get why people always ignore it when discussing the two games, is that FFXIV's monetization is just as predatory as WoW's, if not more predatory.

    For one, in WoW you can get any shop item through gold via WoW Tokens, including your subscription. WoW's shop is also pretty quaint compared to the Mog Station, in terms of what's on offer.

    Both have cosmetic mounts and pets, but the mounts and pets in WoW are consistently $25 and $10, while in FFXIV they have a bunch of different mounts that cost up to $40. FFXIV also has a variety of cosmetic transmog items, old event items, furniture, emotes, etc. And FFXIV also has pets that can only be obtained by buying the $50 OSTs.

    I just don't get why people let FFXIV slide on its microtransactions but double down on attacking WoW's, often in the same breath.

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    It's important to note that FFXIV is doing an ongoing Twitch promotion through most of August where FFXIV players can get an exclusive mount for gifting subs to participating channels. That in all likelihood has a lot to do with the recent attention streamers have been giving it, since they get free subs from viewers.

    Obviously some will stick with it or genuinely wanted to try it, but the promotion is giving them incentive to play and stream it right now.
    There's literally no discussion to be had. The stores are practically identical except you can pay for in-game currency in WoWs shop.

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    Probably jus because there hasn't been some big push from [popular youtubers here] decrying the XIV cash shop as awful, terrible, the worst thing ever, etc. the way they did with the WoW one. Which is where people get their opinion and shit anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    I just don't get why people let FFXIV slide on its microtransactions but double down on attacking WoW's, often in the same breath.
    To be fair, for a lot of people it might come from pure ignorance - not knowing exactly how FF's microtransactions are. I know I don't, so I have no way to criticize it, depsite criticizing WoW's.

    Another possible factor might be changes to the microtransactions. Have FF's microtransactions always been the way they are? If so, it might be somewhat normal for people to react more negatively to the increased microtransactions that were added to WoW little by little, versus a similar/worse system that has always been that way from the start.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    The "Asmongold Effect" is pretty much a capstone moment on the movement of people from WoW to XIV over the course of the past few months. I had started noticing more and more "Former multi-year WoW vet tries XIV" vids on Youtube starting around March-April and they continued to increase as more and more of the bigger names amongst WoW content creators started trying their hand at the game.
    Agree, it's more of a culmination of multiple youtubers and streamers seriously checking out and talking about FF in a time where a lot of the WoW population is disgruntled, not just Asmongold. He might be the most popular/prominent one, but ultimately it's bigger than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    I just don't get why people let FFXIV slide on its microtransactions but double down on attacking WoW's, often in the same breath.
    WoW's fandom is older and remembers a time when games weren't microtransaction heavy. Horse armor DLC for Oblivion and the horse mount being added in Wrath caused an uproar but the newer generation doesn't remember that. They grew up with microtransactions being acceptable and don't think anymore of it.

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  8. #408
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    WoW's fandom is older and remembers a time when games weren't microtransaction heavy. Horse armor DLC for Oblivion and the horse mount being added in Wrath caused an uproar but the newer generation doesn't remember that. They grew up with microtransactions being acceptable and don't think anymore of it.
    That's really not it at all. That's some "kids these days..." stuff right there. (I also might remind everyone that XIV is far from a "new" game.)

    XIV's cash shop just hasn't had the silly amount of attention paid to it that WoW's cash shop has. It's the same reason people want Blizzard HQ lasered from orbit because of Overwatch "loot boxes" but no one talks about it in Little Billy's Indy Steam Game.

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    Boy we sure had a big hearty laugh at "horse armor" back in the day.

    Little did we know...

  10. #410
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    XIV's cash shop just hasn't had the silly amount of attention paid to it that WoW's cash shop has. It's the same reason people want Blizzard HQ lasered from orbit because of Overwatch "loot boxes" but no one talks about it in Little Billy's Indy Steam Game.
    WoW is a competitive PvE game; XIV, not so much. That's makes a difference in how acceptable a cash shop can be.
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  11. #411
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    That's really not it at all. That's some "kids these days..." stuff right there. (I also might remind everyone that XIV is far from a "new" game.)

    XIV's cash shop just hasn't had the silly amount of attention paid to it that WoW's cash shop has. It's the same reason people want Blizzard HQ lasered from orbit because of Overwatch "loot boxes" but no one talks about it in Little Billy's Indy Steam Game.
    Probably because the Lodestone website is just so garbage that people don't even know how to find the cash shop. If they can't find it, it doesn't exist. Square Enix seriously needs to update their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    WoW is a competitive PvE game; XIV, not so much. That's makes a difference in how acceptable a cash shop can be.
    wows competitive pve is almost identical to ffxivs, wow just has a lot more bosses, with ffxiv having the hardest difficulty in ultimate between both games.

  13. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    WoW is a competitive PvE game; XIV, not so much. That's makes a difference in how acceptable a cash shop can be.
    A store mount hardly wins you anything in competitive PvE, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Probably because the Lodestone website is just so garbage that people don't even know how to find the cash shop. If they can't find it, it doesn't exist.
    Now that's some real truth there, I would say.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    wows competitive pve is almost identical to ffxivs, wow just has a lot more bosses, with ffxiv having the hardest difficulty in ultimate between both games.
    Problem with mythic in WoW is that there's quite a few bosses that are just jokes. First 3-4 bosses in mythic usually just fall over. That leaves you with 4-7 actual bosses per raid which is still more than FF14 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    wows competitive pve is almost identical to ffxivs, wow just has a lot more bosses, with ffxiv having the hardest difficulty in ultimate between both games.
    Oh bollocks. They're similar in kind, but not in degree. Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Oh bollocks. They're similar in kind, but not in degree. Not even close.
    they are similar in every way outside of number of bosses per expac. lol

    they are extremely close in difficulty, ffxiv edging out with ultimates for hardest, but savage is on average easier then end tier mythic bosses.

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    I can deny that FF14 is a great game all day long, I gave it a good go and I hated it, if people like it thats fine, if millions like it thats fine, just means they like it, I don't, its not a great game.

    Poor Asmon, he is tainted by reputation, I didn't like him kinda do not still, but when he talks on a topic you agree with, instead of just nodding along he does raise every single actual point relevant to the topic, his talk on bots and the recent disgusting stuff has been spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Problem with mythic in WoW is that there's quite a few bosses that are just jokes. First 3-4 bosses in mythic usually just fall over. That leaves you with 4-7 actual bosses per raid which is still more than FF14 though.
    yeah very true. i rate ffxiv tiers kinda like this:
    boss 1 = mythic 1-3 bosses on avergae
    boss 2/3 = usually around mid tier mythic
    boss 4 = last 2/3 boss mythic difficulty, but USUALLY not as hard as the actual last boss in mythic
    ultimate = harder than end tier mythic boss

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    yeah very true. i rate ffxiv tiers kinda like this:
    boss 1 = mythic 1-3 bosses on avergae
    boss 2/3 = usually around mid tier mythic
    boss 4 = last 2/3 boss mythic difficulty, but USUALLY not as hard as the actual last boss in mythic
    ultimate = harder than end tier mythic boss
    Also, most bosses in WoW are basically just DPS'ing/healing health bars with the occasional mechanic that hunters just take care of. FF14 usually involves everyone much more of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Also, most bosses in WoW are basically just DPS'ing/healing health bars with the occasional mechanic that hunters just take care of. FF14 usually involves everyone much more of the time.
    yeah ffxiv has MUCH, and i mean MUCH MUCH MUCH more personal responsibility on each raider. However with a small raid size, its easier to control and plan. wow is a lot more chaotic when compared to the dance of ffxiv savages. when you add in that healing in ffxiv is a joke its so easy, it makes those wow dps/hps checks a lot harder in comparison.

    another thing to note with ffxiv raiding is efficiency, because there is no trash, and every pull is identical, you can mass chain pull A LOT faster then wow, this makes progging go a lot faster. (some people like to point at ffxiv raids dies

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