Ppl that just dinged 70 usually understand they shld get a few lvl 70 pieces before going straight into bgs. The difference between fresh 70s to geared 70s, is not nearly as big as lvl 29s with full blue enchanted gear. Sometimes 3x the hp, weapons enchanted, all that.
My point is, twinking and premading are both maximizing your advantage before the game even begins.
The long premades aren't always just farming either. I've been queued into (the winning side) of griefing premades. The point isn't to win, or even to get honor. They just want to make the other side as mad as they possibly can. Farm AV graveyards for two hours and then camp at the cave until -the entire alliance team- stops ressing and runs around as a ghost. And then stay there an extra 20 minutes even though nobody's getting honor, for the express purpose of hoping they'll start taking deserter buff and forcing in new people that are stuck there.
premade vs pug was always one of the worst aspects of WoW, hilarious it took them so long to do something about it
This has always been the most confusing aspect of wow for me - And im someone who is more than happy for everyone to play within the rules, even if it is pissing other players off. But this level of dedication to disrupting others enjoyment, with zero benefit to themselves, has always confused me. Few times over the years someone has ganked or tried to gank me, and i have made their life pretty unhappy for a few minutes, maybe even 10 minutes, but quite quickly i think to myself "wait, i was on the way to X to do Y - why the fuck am i wasting my time camping this dudes body?" and i carry on with my play session.
It happens in all games - riot shield gangs, people blocking others into doorways in fps, people blinding teammates with flash bangs in counterstrike, feeding in a moba - and honestly, it can be pretty godamn funny at times, but only in small doses. Those who intentionally group up and set out on a long campaign of harassment and abuse, while gaining nothing at all themselves, is really strange to me.
You know what killed Twinking? Making them fight other twinks. You know what killed premades? Making them fight other premades. You are right that Blizzard eventually realised this an offered Rated BG's as a solution to this, allowing Premade Vs Premade competition, and rewarding that higher level of competition with higher rewards.
#SomeChanges
Turns out, people didn't like twinking because its just some silly fun, no, they liked it because they could and would absolutely STOMP the competition. Premades are the same, the whole "I just love playing with my friends and having a laugh" line is absolute bullshit, people like it because they had a HUGE advantage over a group of disorganized pugs. It is no different to people saying "LFR must remain, its how i experience the story and i love seeing the story that way!" and then the loot quality was reduced and WW3 almost started.
Wow, this is maybe one of the best PVP changes to have happened to this game in.. forever?
I'd love to see fresh classic servers with that change in a year or two down the road
Nice, I might give another try to BG's with this change. I tried them once, waited in que for almost 1h 15 minutes only to get raped by Apes premade, l left after few minutes and decided to never set a foot in them, untill Blizzard will do something about it.
Granted, allowing people to join in large groups would have been even better - conditional on them only being matched against other big groups. That way, everyone would be catered for equally.
Having said that, I can't imagine anyone would even still try to queue up in large groups then.
That way, I can understand Blizzard made a judgement call, and probably didn't want to implement a feature that would either never be used at all, or only be used if players found some way of abusing it (queue in large groups, but then win trade)
nothing was more boring than when we did WSG premades instead of AV. literally thousands of games, annd sub 8 minutes roflstomps, most were 6 minutes. average time on my addon was 7 minutes 22 seconds over 500 BG's, meeting real premades is so much fun, and im sad to see that go, but the reality of things is, u had to wargame to get that experience anyways.
Who gives a fuck? This is moronic. Of course they're disadvantaged, they're level 26 playing against players who are level 29, should everyone be equal in level as well? Let's do stat templates again, because you all loved that so much.
Stop playing an MMO for "competitive" PvP. Especially stop playing an MMO for "competitive" PvP in the pug mode that intentionally isn't balanced for. It's so beyond boring seeing these same dumbass complaints almost 16 years later - you wanna know one of my most enjoyable memories of Vanilla? Queuing a random BG on my level 11 rogue, seeing a level 19 twink rogue absolutely destroying everyone, and realising what's possible when you actually put some effort in. I still remember the guy's name too. Seems like the attitude today in that same situation would be to cry about how I 'deserve' to do exactly as much damage as he did without anywhere near the time or effort investment.
Good change for the solo player.
Why no premade queue for groups larger than 5? Now its literally impossible to play a bg with a full group of guildies.
I've learned that sometimes people are just assholes and like to do asshole things, purely for the sake of assholery.
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So why not then have the people that like the same playstyle play against one another? ie Solo vs Solo and Premade vs Premade. Isn't that perfectly equal?