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  1. #701
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzonathan View Post
    Name it then. You may find out that I might disagree with it because I do not view each of your incoming arguments and words the same way.
    It's almost like people are all different.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification

    Stop asking me to explain basic terminology to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Of course not. Just don’t get all upset when people point out how much of a piece of shit it makes you.
    You have a very privileged life if someone makes a less than stellar written female character and its enough for you to look down upon them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification

    Stop asking me to explain basic terminology to you.
    So where do sexy and armor thongs fall into this?

    You can be someone's instrument regardless if you're sexy or not.
    You can be denied autonomy regardless if you're sexy or not.
    You can be inert regardless if you're sexy or not.
    You can be disposable regardless if you're sexy or not.
    You can have your boundaries violated regardless if you're sexy or not.
    You can be a slave regardless if you're sexy or not.
    Someone can not give a fuck what you think regardless if you're sexy or not.

    I see a vast distinction between an attractive character and objectified character and there's no overlap.
    Last edited by Dzonathan; 2021-07-24 at 09:38 PM.

  3. #703
    This thread is a frightening peek into how different each side can see a subject, much like politics.

    It still amazes me that people think wanting equality is an insult, to be derided and reduced to terms like "sjw". That in and of itself speaks volumes about a person.

    Also, continually speaking in hyperbole doesn't help your case.
    Nor does the caveman defense of "I don't see it that way... so"
    Examples of "I once knew a girl who had a low cut top and and the guy said she led him on so therefore "these accusations must be false or at least doubted" are monty python levels of absurd.

    Quite scary honestly lol.
    That or the wave of "grab 'em by the pussy" has really fucking swelled.

    Also wonder if this is why Lana left Hots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    They had a record year the other year and still let hundreds of employees go. So no profits don't seem to matter in regards to when and how many people are laid off at Blizzard..
    Record profits doesn't mean they should let people keep jobs that do very little or keep a fully employed E-Sports department when plans were to shut it down.
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  5. #705
    I'm so outraged from this lawsuit against Blizzard I ended up unsubbing months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    No shit, Sherlock. The point is that you can create attractive and interesting characters without the chainmail thongs, which serves only to give teenagers entering puberty (or adults who haven't left that mindset) something to beat off too.
    I mean, I think we can have both, yeah? Final Fantasy does pretty well and I don’t see people up in arms about the lack of clothing a lot of the characters wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    I'm so outraged from this lawsuit against Blizzard I ended up unsubbing months ago.
    Very good. I wonder if many others unsubbed as well. I was considering subbing to see the next patch, but after reading mmo-c’s home page I was like, nope. Not going to support such a fucking toxic company that treats women like second class citizens.

    I have certain responsibilities at my work and let it be known that finding good physicians isn’t easy. Yet, I’ve had people fired on the spot for making sexist remarks to female co-workers.
    success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    I'm so outraged from this lawsuit against Blizzard I ended up unsubbing months ago.
    This is a golden one Too bad not everyone is able to get your joke:

    Quote Originally Posted by nocturnus View Post
    Very good. I wonder if many others unsubbed as well. I was considering subbing to see the next patch, but after reading mmo-c’s home page I was like, nope. Not going to support such a fucking toxic company that treats women like second class citizens.

    I have certain responsibilities at my work and let it be known that finding good physicians isn’t easy. Yet, I’ve had people fired on the spot for making sexist remarks to female co-workers.
    Signal received, virtue confirmed
    Last edited by Yadryonych; 2021-07-25 at 09:32 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I mean, I think we can have both, yeah? Final Fantasy does pretty well and I don’t see people up in arms about the lack of clothing a lot of the characters wear.

    Give it time...

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    just saw this get posted on reddit. Looks like good ol' Bobby is quite good at the whole retaliatory firing thing https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ent...litigator.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    This is a golden one Too bad not everyone is able to get your joke:



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  12. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by cyberglum View Post
    Give it time...
    There are probably people complaining about it, you can find people complaining about pretty much anything in the game. The reason that Q&A got highlighted was because of the response from the devs include J. Allen. It shows that he is very much part of this bro culture even if you disagree with the question that is not the way to respond to a customer who paid money to go your event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    There are probably people complaining about it, you can find people complaining about pretty much anything in the game. The reason that Q&A got highlighted was because of the response from the devs include J. Allen. It shows that he is very much part of this bro culture even if you disagree with the question that is not the way to respond to a customer who paid money to go your event.
    It's telling that they think the complaint is too much skin showing and not the disparity in skin showing. Which is why people don't tend to make that complaint of FFXIV; there are plenty of women in actual armor, and plenty of men in the equivalent of boob-plate.

    Then again, many of them are stuck in the bro culture that typified the Gamergate era just like Blizzard.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    just saw this get posted on reddit. Looks like good ol' Bobby is quite good at the whole retaliatory firing thing https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ent...litigator.html
    shocking how this sort of behavior goes all the way to the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It's telling that they think the complaint is too much skin showing and not the disparity in skin showing. Which is why people don't tend to make that complaint of FFXIV; there are plenty of women in actual armor, and plenty of men in the equivalent of boob-plate.

    Then again, many of them are stuck in the bro culture that typified the Gamergate era just like Blizzard.
    FF14 100% fulfills it’s leather daddy quota each expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    FF14 100% fulfills it’s leather daddy quota each expansion.
    I'd argue Godbert Manderville is the most sexualized character in the game, to be honest.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It's telling that they think the complaint is too much skin showing and not the disparity in skin showing. Which is why people don't tend to make that complaint of FFXIV; there are plenty of women in actual armor, and plenty of men in the equivalent of boob-plate.

    Then again, many of them are stuck in the bro culture that typified the Gamergate era just like Blizzard.
    I see the gaters are still living rent free in your head

    Y'all can't just taken the L and move on, you gotta keep bringing up the dead horse for a beating, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Y'all can't just taken the L and move on, you gotta keep bringing up the dead horse for a beating, don't you?
    It's not exactly a dead horse when the horse is very much alive and promoting a toxic environment at Activision-Blizzard, bruh.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It's not exactly a dead horse when the horse is very much alive and promoting a toxic environment at Activision-Blizzard, bruh.
    don't tell him about YouTube channels like the Quartering, might throw a wrench in that narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    I see the gaters are still living rent free in your head
    Uhhh...

    Did you just identify as one of the misogynistic bastards of the gamergate, there? Because it totally reads like it.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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