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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    Is this it? Are we gonna see Blizzard die? I never thought it'd happen, too big to fail and all.
    100% certain Blizzard isn't going anywhere. They will lose some money and possibly some employees, but it's not like Blizzard is hurting for either. They will have a black eye for a while, but they'll just tape a lootbox over it, and they are good to go.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    I don't think you understand how Jeopardy works
    I see you're wasting time complaining about the jokey phrasing than providing literally anything to back yourself up and contradict me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturnus View Post
    Doesn’t surprise me that someone like you is willing to support such a company. Oh well, people are who they are.
    I don't "support" the company, I just wouldn't like them being affected in a way that would impede the process of them making games for me to play
    Lives matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I don't "support" the company, I just wouldn't like them being affected in a way that would impede the process of them making games for me to play
    Even if that comes at a cost of it being developed in an environment wherein harassment of female employees is the norm, huh?

    Priorities.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    Who, of note, is even around still at Blizzard who's managing to escape the magnifying glass, is Tom Chilton still there working on some unannounced shit

    Ion Hazzikostas is an asexual, damp creature of a man and I'm sure he's made plenty of women uncomfortable over the years but less because of advances and more because he sometimes forgets to make only the horizontal eyelids blink when he's around humans.
    Pretty sure he's related to Zuck who also has to remind himself to blink lest anyone figure out his true lizard purpose.
    V is real. It's the new Q.

    Also wasn't Toms name always Tigole? As in tigole bitties lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Also wasn't Toms name always Tigole? As in tigole bitties lol
    Tigole was Jeff Kaplan. I've always wondered about Afrasiabi's username, Furor, if it was a version of Fuhrer?
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Tigole was Jeff Kaplan. I've always wondered about Afrasiabi's username, Furor, if it was a version of Fuhrer?
    No, furor is like ferver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I don't "support" the company, I just wouldn't like them being affected in a way that would impede the process of them making games for me to play
    Even if that is your priority you cannot look at the declining quality of Blizzard games and say an environment like this helps makes better games. If you have people getting drunk, goofing off and not working in positions of power that's a waste of money and resources. That's not even going into how an environment like this leads to stressed out workers and the brain drain we have seen going in blizzard for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    Is this it? Are we gonna see Blizzard die? I never thought it'd happen, too big to fail and all.
    Realistically, what will most likely come out of this is Blizz losing a pittance of money. If (and likely when) some employees call it quits over this, there will be no shortage of applicants to fill in the gaps. The games industry always has an absurd turnover rate, and no shortage of applicants for positions, especially for AAA.

    Similar to the many controversies of the past few years (perhaps most notably the Blitzchung one), they will likely see a trickle of lost customers because of it, but nothing company-breaking. Even a good chunk of the people who are the most vocally outraged about it will most likely continue to continuing funneling money into Blizzard products because hyperconsumerism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    Is this it? Are we gonna see Blizzard die? I never thought it'd happen, too big to fail and all.
    They will sacrifice a few scape goats, settle for a couple million from their petty cash drawer out of court and the public eye and ramp up the PR bullshit. They are too big to fail, at least to fail because of that.

    Most likely the parent company will use this for a power grab and Blizzard's output will shift even more, but they won't go under. They will change in one way or another and they will certainly be more careful in the future in the areas where they won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Even if that comes at a cost of it being developed in an environment wherein harassment of female employees is the norm, huh?

    Priorities.
    To be fair , we use/consume products daily that are made by what amounts to slave labor in countries where women (and pretty much everyone else) is treated even worse. I don't think many of us can actually claim the moral high ground here, as we tend to happily ignore it. The closer you are to the company the more relevant it may seem, but the oppsite is probably true as well for the majority. The average joe might not even learn about what happened there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Tigole was Jeff Kaplan. I've always wondered about Afrasiabi's username, Furor, if it was a version of Fuhrer?
    I know it's a joke, but if you put it into German Furor shares essentially the same linguistic origin as fury and just means raging.
    MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Even if that comes at a cost of it being developed in an environment wherein harassment of female employees is the norm, huh?

    Priorities.
    If the purchase of every product we consume/use in everyday life was reliant on how good the people involved in making it are treated, we'd be walking with leaves over the crotch and eating berries from bushes all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    To be fair , we use/consume products daily that are made by what amounts to slave labor in countries where women (and pretty much everyone else) is treated even worse. I don't think many of us can actually claim the moral high ground here, as we tend to happily ignore it. The closer you are to the company the more relevant it may seem, but the oppsite is probably true as well for the majority. The average joe might not even learn about what happened there.
    I really hate how you people have turned "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" into "nothing matters, freely indulge in slave labor and harmfully produced products".
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    If the purchase of every product we consume/use in everyday life was reliant on how good the people involved in making it are treated, we'd be walking with leaves over the crotch and eating berries from bushes all the time.
    You do what you can. Not playing the games created by these guys isn't even a tad bit hard. Just like not using Nestle products or eating avocados.
    Blessed are the fornicates, may we bend down to be their whores. Blessed are the rich, may our labor deliver them more.
    Blessed are the envious; bless the slothful, the wrathful, the vain. Blessed are the gluttonous, may they feast us to famine and war.
    What of the pious, the pure of heart, the peaceful, the meek, the mourning, and the merciful? All doomed, all doomed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    If the purchase of every product we consume/use in everyday life was reliant on how good the people involved in making it are treated, we'd be walking with leaves over the crotch and eating berries from bushes all the time.
    This is why supporting stronger labor laws, unions, and regulations on corporations are so important. That way we can stop pretending that the market will fix itself if we just make better decisions as consumers. Because it's a myth and it won't.
    Populists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    This is why supporting stronger labor laws, unions, and regulations on corporations are so important. That way we can stop pretending that the market will fix itself if we just make better decisions as consumers. Because it's a myth and it won't.
    You're definitely right about that, though organizing unions that are immune to corruption that would see them forego their duties is the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I really hate how you people have turned "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" into "nothing matters, freely indulge in slave labor and harmfully produced products".
    Because that's the practical translation of it and the reality of the vast majority of the consumers. Nobody buys chocolate to think of the people collecting cocoa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    You're right about that, though organizing unions that are immune to corruption that would see them forego their duties has proven to be a daunting task.
    I know which one I prefer if given the choice between a corrupted union and the open and flagrant corruption between businesses and the U.S. government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    shocking how this sort of behavior goes all the way to the top.
    Well, no it's not really. It's precisely people who have power over others—all the way at the top if you will—that seem to feel as if it's their right to lord it over the personal lives of their employees. God forbid, they be attractive. Most of the major cases of sexual harassment that you've heard of prominently feature people "at the top."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Nah, I just get amused that people are still hammering on about it 6 years later and won't let it die. Also cute of you to call women who supported it misogynists.
    With respect to how people are treated in the video game industry there's a direct line from gamergate to all sorts of things including this.
    “We live in a moment where everything immediately seems to default to outrage. There’s a kind of M.O. of either it’s exactly how I see it, or you’re my enemy.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    Because that's the practical translation of it
    No it isn't, stop making justifications for being indolent in the face of injustice.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    With respect to how people are treated in the video game industry there's a direct line from gamergate to all sorts of things including this.
    Not really, and you couldn't prove it even if there was. Most of the people who supported it had zero to do with the industry as it was predominantly gamers themselves, meanwhile those against it were actually in the industry, journalists in particular. No surprise since it was the rather rampant dishonesty and lack of ethics that caused it in the first place. And considering how terrible games journalism has become as far as it being used to shit on people for wrongthink and bitch about first world problems like not being able to beat Sekiro or Demon Souls, games journalists have earned all the dislike and distrust that they get from gamers.

    The few people in the industry who actually did support it got ostracized, though I can't recall many who did aside from former games journalist Liana Kerzner who while openly didn't actually support it, much of her commentary certainly put her on the side of the gamers. Hell, no one knew about or gave a fuck about Troy Leavitt until journalists found out that he had a YouTube channel with videos where he criticized Anita Sarkeesian, and not in any way that was abusive or hateful, he literally just picked apart all the things she said and disproved her opinions with facts. Then they bullied him, wrote hitpiece after hitpiece because he criticized her 6 years ago, not to mention harassed his family to the point where he quit as creative director at Avalanche Studios. Or Scott Cawthon just recently, creator of Five Nights At Freddies. Made over a million dollars in donations to LGBTQ groups, but (and rather foolishly) also made a 44k donation to the Republican party. Frankly I don't agree with the optics of that as it's stupid and hypocritical to support one group that vehemently hates the other, but considering journalists went so far as to doxx him, threaten his pregnant wife and family, well you can't really claim to be on the "better side" when people act every bit as bad that are against GamerGate as those who are in support of it do.

    The issues with the video game industry as a whole are known and long standing. Don't be surprised if we hear more about these issues over the next while. Someone's bound to air some dirty laundry at other companies too. Change isn't going to happen overnight. And frankly I don't think anyone should be bullied or harassed in their workplace, and it's clear that Activision-Blizzard have been ignoring these issues for years and done nothing about it. Change starts at the top with these companies, just as it does in every other industry. I'm fortunate enough to work for a company that despite being blue collar and a lot of the guys I work with are more conservative leaning and older, our work culture is one of respect for one another regardless of who we are and that comes from management all the way down. Sometimes I have to remind the older guys that they can't talk the way they want to in the workplace, but thankfully the one instance of harassment in the workplace in the 11 years I've been there, the guy was fired the same day. That's management taking it seriously and not letting problems persist. Everyone should be able to feel comfortable in their workplace and that's something I strive to ensure I reinforce. And yes, I do work with some women who are in the same trade as me. Everyone helps each other out, because we are a team after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Not really, and you couldn't prove it even if there was. Most of the people who supported it had zero to do with the industry as it was predominantly gamers themselves, meanwhile those against it were actually in the industry, journalists in particular. No surprise since it was the rather rampant dishonesty and lack of ethics that caused it in the first place. And considering how terrible games journalism has become as far as it being used to shit on people for wrongthink and bitch about first world problems like not being able to beat Sekiro or Demon Souls, games journalists have earned all the dislike and distrust that they get from gamers.
    It never had a damned thing to do with "journalistic ethics", because no journalistic ethics were even violated.

    It was nothing but an outburst of bigotry. Which is where you get to "wrongthink", defending bigotry by misusing terminology invented by a socialist SJW, to condemn exactly the kind of abusive horseshit that Gamergate amounted to.

    Gamergaters never had a valid position. It was just regressive bigotry.


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