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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Their PR response is basically the alt right playbook 101. "We didn't do it, there's faceless bureaucrats conspiring against us!"
    A big corporate business being alt-right minded? I would post a Pikachu shocked face right if I could :P
    Last edited by Orby; 2021-07-22 at 12:49 PM.
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    So I was reading over the brief at lunch and it's actually buckwild to me this has been drafted and pled as a wholly civil action. I mean I'm not going to tell California how to do their legal system but come on give your regulatory bodies some teeth.
    Make up a regulatory court or tribunal, throw some criminal penalties into the act. Perice the corporate veil because limited liability companies are a fundamentally unfair institution that allows people with money and power to commit white-collar crimes while hiding behind a paper person.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrTharne View Post
    What about people who negociate their salary to obtain more than what they are paid at the moment ?
    Should the company just up the salary of those who have the same job&seniority even though they didn't go through the trouble of negociating ?
    Literally yes if they're doing the same job.
    "Negotiating salaries based on value" has arguably always been a myth and is certainly a myth in multinational multibillion-dollar operations. No one adds value to blizzard to such a degree they could not be replaced in an instant with little to no impact on day-to-day operations.
    It's simply a tactic to enforce competion between workers and prevent unionisation because at the end of the day it costs the company less to pay jim 20 grand more a year because 'he negotiated better' than it is to pay Jim, Sally and John 20 grand a year more because they do the same job.

    It's hard to talk about specifics to the case though without seeing the full suite of evidence California has.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Activision Blizzard's response to the lawsuit is proof that the lawsuit is correct and they're run by the absolute worst men on Earth.



    Their PR response is basically the alt right playbook 101. "We didn't do it, there's faceless bureaucrats conspiring against us!"

    Blizzard is alt right lol? I thought they've always pushed their woke leftist agenda on us
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    I guess Activision Blizzard will now need to do something impressive that shows how anti-sexist they actually are. Looks like we're heading into peak wokeness. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    If it comes back Metzen was involved then my soul is destroyed
    If even half of it is true, he must have at least known about some of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    So Blizzard pushes a bunch of woke shit on us, but at the same time still treating their female workers like garbage.
    Will this be the day when the idiots who whine constantly about "woke shit" finally figure out that it's literally only about profits? That companies only care about selling a message of inclusivity and diversity because people want to buy it?

    No, probably not.

    They'll probably continue to think it's some grand Marxist conspiracy to...I don't know...indoctrinate the children into the evil belief that it's okay to be friends with people who are different to them. Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Will this be the day when the idiots who whine constantly about "woke shit" finally figure out that it's literally only about profits? That companies only care about selling a message of inclusivity and diversity because people want to buy it?

    No, probably not.

    They'll probably continue to think it's some grand Marxist conspiracy to...I don't know...indoctrinate the children into the evil belief that it's okay to be friends with people who are different to them. Or something.
    Also there was reports of the guy who felt pushed out by Blizzard who were racist to him. So imagine how many of the LGBTQI+ community who are in Blizzard who are teased for being who they are. I pretty much bet my dollar there is homophobia, and such going on in Blizzard all the while pushing out this fake woke shit like they mean it. Never believe it when it comes to big corporations. As a bi guy myself I never buy into it. I can enjoy p[ride month without the companies telling me 'I'm with you' they can fuck off, as well as can all the other big corp giants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    A big corporate business being alt-right minded? I would post a Pikachu shocked face right if I could :P
    Small companies can also be very toxic and tyrannical.

    Also for context, remember all those gross out comedies that came out in the 90's ... with all the lazy jokes centered around bigotry.

    Its like frat boys were running the companies and writing the movies.
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    I'm not at all surprised considering I know a guy who has worked there for years and has told me all kinds of shady things that go on. GMs and moderators making fun customers, blatant favoritism, the sad restructuring of hiring requirements (or lack thereof) and a case like this.

    This stuff happens in many places but most companies now-a-days take firm stances against harassment.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    I doubt someone would just randomly make this shit up
    yeah, we all know women would NEVER lie about men in order to "cancel" them

    never ever

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    This is...on another level. Like, there was real, earnest effort put into reaching a new level of cruelty. And a woman fucking killed herself over it.

    What the ever loving fuck.
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  12. #52
    What the was the point of mentioning the dude's butt plug and lube? I am genuinely bemused by that.

    Also I wonder how much people like Ion and Metzen knew about this shit. Seems hard to believe they were unaware. What did they do about it? Makes me think twice about why those old big name devs left the company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    If even half of it is true, he must have at least known about some of it.
    I suspect that's a big part of why Blizzard has hemorrhaged older employees over the years. Either they were apart of the harassment, and got out to avoid allegations, or they were aware of the harassment, and got out before they had to answer uncomfortable questions about why they didn't intervene or say anything. Considering how far back the investigation goes, however, it may turn out to have not been enough to save them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Good, good, I hope they don't fuck it up and that no one can just weasel themselves out with enough money.
    The cynic in me says that this is exactly what will happen. There will be a big uproar, and some employees might be made into sacrificial lambs, but the whole thing will eventually blow over and be quietly settled out of court. Blizzard will keep trucking, possibly even with a similarly toxic work environment, and some of the richer and/or more well-connected offenders will likely still be working there in some capacity.

    Both Riot and Ubisoft went through something similar relatively recently, and while people still occasionally bring up how scummy they, it's still seems like it's just been business as usual since the allegations. The same thing will happen with Blizzard.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    They already do. They have rainbow pride shirts on the Blizzard store, and two Overwatch characters are gay/lesbian; Soldier: 76, and Tracer.
    Jesus Christ are we still childishly assuming slapping a gay flag on your merch means anything beyond selling said merch?

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    Christ, man, I really hope Chris Metzen doesn't turn out to be a piece of shit.

    That's like the one guy I hope remains pure throughout all this.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Christ, man, I really hope Chris Metzen doesn't turn out to be a piece of shit.

    That's like the one guy I hope remains pure throughout all this.
    He does have the pervertic look.. Fingers crossed..
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Biden is a creepy old dude, I will not be voting for the guy.
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  17. #57
    Reading through the whole complaint, the extent to how bad and widespread this has been is disgusting and shocking. There are some far worse incidents mentioned in the filing than even the examples the OP listed. This definitely was far more than 1 or 2 isolated incidents, the case refers to claims by MANY female Blizzard employees. Insinuating that this is 1 or 2 women that possibly just made it up is gross, and shows you probably didn't even bother reading the filing. My immediate reaction is concern for the women working at Blizzard today. I can't help but think of those that I've met and talked to at Blizzcon and what they have quietly endured. Second, I hope this drives major rapid change there. Third, this is bad enough to cause me to re-evaluate my financial support of Blizzard. This has to be fixed.

    Also, keep in mind this isn't a slimy lawsuit-happy law firm just tossing out a suit trying to make some money or force a settlement, it's the state. And I know the media outlets on the right like to bash the US state of California while waving the US flag in the other, but that's been addressed in another thread. Cancel culture is another frequent target of theirs, but there is a problem with that. If someone is cancelled for illegitimate reasons, that shouldn't happen. But in about 90% of cases of people complaining about cancel culture, they got cancelled for very legit reasons but try to claim innocence by attacking cancel culture. If a person treats women in the workplace like the filing describes, they are a pos, that's not a problem with cancel culture or them being 'silenced'. There are a lot of people that have convinced themselves that attacking cancel culture allows them to deflect and behave in racist, sexist, and/or hateful ways without taking any responsibility.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    This is...on another level. Like, there was real, earnest effort put into reaching a new level of cruelty. And a woman fucking killed herself over it.

    What the ever loving fuck.
    Apparently the report left out that she also was in a relationship with her supervisor. Personally I don't trust state agencies to be honest about anything. The USA is particularly obsessed with hunting down social witches right now.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    If it comes back Metzen was involved then my soul is destroyed
    Wouldn't be surprised if he, at best, turned a blind eye. Many of Blizzard's higher-ups were friends who knew each other for half a lifetime at least, in this situation you cover your mates and/or don't see them doing something wrong as wrong sometimes.

    Honestly gaming companies (hell tech and IT in general even) are widely known to be boy's clubs and not a great place for many women to work. I have a friend working at Ubisoft Montreal, it's her dream job working for one of her favorite game companies and she almost quite several times over sexual harassment. It's generalized and she says what leaked to the media wasn't the half of it, one time she was groped by two new guys within two days, who heard from other assholes that they could have their way with the "easy" women at work.

    And this response saying the lawsuit is "an attack from irresponsible State bureaucrats"... Wow. What a way to not start this on the right foot. If anything this type of lashing out makes me more convinced the allegations are genuine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    What the was the point of mentioning the dude's butt plug and lube? I am genuinely bemused by that.
    It takes a special kind of asshole to drive a person to suicide, so I guess he didn't bring it on that business trip for himself.
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    I feel the above truly reflect what is happening in the US and its allies, or has been happening for some time.

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