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  1. #1201
    Honestly, a little sad for Vicarious Visions. No comment yet on the case. I'm not one to pile on, so I'll refrain from commenting on Activision or Blizzard as a whole, or their mobile gaming plans.

  2. #1202
    I want to address this comment from a now-locked thread over in WoW GD (locked because it was an unnecessary thread, given the existence of this one):

    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious
    Here's an Actual Women from Blizz that also Supported this crap!

    https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/sta...50521373433856
    This is an incredibly disingenuous take given that you posted one comment from 2014 without any context to understand that comment. Olivia has today posted in regards to this comment to give that context: https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/sta...68265781010432
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

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    How can you even fix Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo. There are so many self inserts and VO lines done by the old guard, what are they gonna do a Poochie on Thrall and say he died on his way back to his home planet?

    At this rate Blizzard are not only going to need to rebuild, they are gonna need to rename their company, shut down and completely close their current IP's and start new ones... how can anyone play WoW now, or Starcraft without seeing the people who made it? I cannot even look at the game anymore. I am so put off, I am so mad, sad and bloody depressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    I want to address this comment from a now-locked thread over in WoW GD (locked because it was an unnecessary thread, given the existence of this one):



    This is an incredibly disingenuous take given that you posted one comment from 2014 without any context to understand that comment. Olivia has today posted in regards to this comment to give that context: https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/sta...68265781010432
    Which i learned, the fact is i have no Sympathy for her. Because when she Knew, she should have done something or walked away entirely. She did nothing instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    How can you even fix Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo. There are so many self inserts and VO lines done by the old guard, what are they gonna do a Poochie on Thrall and say he died on his way back to his home planet?

    At this rate Blizzard are not only going to need to rebuild, theya re gonna need to rename, shut down and completely close their current IP's and start new ones... how can anyone play WoW now, or Starcraft without seeing the people who made it? I cannot even look at the game anymore. I am so put off.
    I don't even really understand this need to remove controversial stuff from the games. It's not like it was put there today. Seems like too much hassle than it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    How can you even fix Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo. There are so many self inserts and VO lines done by the old guard, what are they gonna do a Poochie on Thrall and say he died on his way back to his home planet?

    At this rate Blizzard are not only going to need to rebuild, they are gonna need to rename their company, shut down and completely close their current IP's and start new ones... how can anyone play WoW now, or Starcraft without seeing the people who made it? I cannot even look at the game anymore. I am so put off.
    *Sigh* I can see them writing Thrall out of the Horde again as another excuse toh ave an evil Warchief.

    But honestly he's the easy one to write out, how they attempt to rehab the image of their studio and games is the bigger question. It honestly has to start with purging everyone, I think. No one is innocent in this, all the senior staff has to go.
    WoW has Cancer. First you cut out the cancer (abusive devs), then you assign an aggressive treatment plan (major design rework) to save it.

    Or you just let it die because that's too expensive.

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  7. #1207
    Man, I wonder if Blizzard is actually done for real. I thought they'd survive it, but now? It feels like everything they've done is irrevocably tainted.

  8. #1208
    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    Which i learned, the fact is i have no Sympathy for her. Because when she Knew, she should have done something or walked away entirely. She did nothing instead.
    How do you know she did nothing? You don't know anything. You're sat there behind your keyboard throwing around accusations and judging a Woman for how she handled the situation she found herself in at her first Blizzcon. Stop.

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    Since the other thread was closed I'll post the link to the Kotaku article that is being talked about. It's also made it into a News post by now.

    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...ite-1847378762

    You should really go read it. Have an open mind and remember that this is just context for everything else that's happened in the last week.

    Just to be clear for those who want to pretend to believe that the Bill Cosby thing didn't happen until after this, that's incorrect. He was the target of allegations in 2000 and involved in a 2005/2006 civil suit. Cosby's sexual predilections were in the wind for years prior to these pictures taken at Blizzcon.

    Anyway, read. It's a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    How can people be against unions I have never understood this? And how could this situation not be a picture-perfect example of why a union is good?
    I never said I was against unions esp in the private sector. Some companies treat their people like shit then yes I would be for a union. Not all companies need ot be unionized.

    Oh and Kotaku - it just keeps getting worse. Can anyone identify them all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Man, I wonder if Blizzard is actually done for real. I thought they'd survive it, but now? It feels like everything they've done is irrevocably tainted.
    ^ this

    Maybe this comes from a guy who has literally been playing Blizzard games since he was 11 years old (in 1994) and now I am 38 years old. Blizzard have literally been a surrogate parent to me lol. Blizzard games were there for me in some really shitty times, my councillor who I was seeing in 2005 - 2008 encouraged me to keep playing WoW because it was helping me with my anxiety as I was always speaking to my guild in Vent. I owe Blizzard alot, and now this has happened I feel like I been cheated. I know its unhealthy to have that attachment to video games but I don't believe it is especially when its been such a positive on my life and mental health. and now with this, and with a subject that literally hits close to home. Its just so so sucky. I already quit WoW in January but was thinking of coming back eventually if the next expansion was any good, then I was excited for Diablo 2 remaster and Diablo 4... Now I don't even know if I wanna even purchase them.

    I been trying to find a picture of 12 year old me holding up the Warcraft 2 game manuals from 1995 when the game came out, I loved those manuals they were like a bible to me, I loved that back in those days when game manuals were literally a giant lore book. And Blizzard's ones were so great... I still have them in my room right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Man, I wonder if Blizzard is actually done for real. I thought they'd survive it, but now? It feels like everything they've done is irrevocably tainted.
    Activision might well dump the Blizzard name, go for a rebranding.

    I just don’t see where this gets better. The way they’ve handled it has been horrible, and they’ve been caught straight up lying about who knew what and when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    This whole thing is ridiculous. Women were "subjected" to cube crawls? Like the men put a knife to their throats and make them do it? Bullshit. Bet they had fun at the time.

    Next complaint: "women in a male dominated industry complain men were being men and didn't change themselves to suit the female minority" they complained men talked about women within earshot of them... oh boo ho.

    People came to work hung over. So? You focus in you, if you have good performance and get your pay check who cares? Something doesn't get done blame it on drunkie.

    As for the sexual harassment why do we keep hearing how strong women are yet almost never hear of them standing up for themselves and telling the guy to fuck off? It's always 10 years later they gang up and go after the guy when he's already in trouble. Sounds to me they didn't care enough until they can get money out of it.

    This shit is going to ruin gaming. Gaming is male dominated. It's just how it is, so of course games are going to be feared toward males and have mostly men making them. If you don't like it, pick another profession. I don't want to have to be playing games from 2000 to 2015 in 2025 because rather than pick the BEST game makers companies have to fill the woman/minority quota and have a "safe sensitive" work place and churn out garbage SJW games.
    I don't even know where to start on how much bullshit is slathered in this post.

    Get help.
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  14. #1214
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    they’ve been caught straight up lying about who knew what and when.
    Have they? Seems to me the only one's caught lying so far are former employees.

  15. #1215
    Oh wow, an Actual BLIZZ PR tweet of Cosby Suite Support too.

    BLIZZ'S PR actually are disgraceful to the core of being rotten pos!


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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    I never said I was against unions esp in the private sector. Some companies treat their people like shit then yes I would be for a union. Not all companies need ot be unionized.

    Oh and Kotaku - it just keeps getting worse. Can anyone identify them all?
    OP in this closed thread seems to name most/all of them.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...om-the-Lawsuit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Since the other thread was closed I'll post the link to the Kotaku article that is being talked about. It's also made it into a News post by now.

    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...ite-1847378762

    You should really go read it. Have an open mind and remember that this is just context for everything else that's happened in the last week.

    Just to be clear for those who want to pretend to believe that the Bill Cosby thing didn't happen until after this, that's incorrect. He was the target of allegations in 2000 and involved in a 2005/2006 civil suit. Cosby's sexual predilections were in the wind for years prior to these pictures taken at Blizzcon.

    Anyway, read. It's a lot.
    This was added, I try to update the OP when I can.

    Edit: For those curious, I'm not adding every individual account or Twitter post unless it's meant to be a public or semi-official statement. Generally, if it's on the front page or crucial info that's been properly compiled it'll be added.
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    What is actually going to kill WoW? It might be Blizzcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    What is actually going to kill WoW? It might be Blizzcon.
    This blizzcon stuff seems very mild next to what was actually going on at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    This blizzcon stuff seems very mild next to what was actually going on at work.
    Blizzcon is a corporate event for fans. For staff, it was work. Say what you will but for everyone in that picture and every staff member that came up there Blizzcon was part of their jobs.
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