"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
It’s encouraging that 95% of both parties are united on legally qualified people that want to vote being able to cast a ballot.
No real breakdown on the “fundamental right” bit. Felons voting? Some poisoning of the debate based on what voting measures are called anti-democratic these days? And “comes with responsibilities” captures people that think you’re responsible for showing up on Election Day unless you have a valid excuse, or postmarking a mail-in ballot before a certain date ahead of the election.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
There really isn't any good arguments that would justify limiting the franchise, if you're gonna claim to be based on democratic principles. A limited franchise leads you into oligarchy territory.
Generally, the only times the franchise is limited is when A> there is gross discrimination that dehumanizes those who are denied the vote, or B> you don't believe you can win fairly so you try and disenfranchise groups who mostly vote for your opponents. A or B. Take your pick.
Since PC2 brought up children and apparantly babies..
There may be people who are incapable of forming an oppinion, people who if given the right to vote would by virtue of their situation and not their choices simply gove their vote away (or have their vote taken away more precisely) so others could have effectively more votes.. babies spring to mind, if they voted their vote would probably, in most cases, be an extra vote made by a parent
"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
I'd say this is a debate as old as democracy, resulting in the many many shades of democracy found across the World today.
Historically my country has clearly been on the privilege perspective, and funnily enough, not too long ago I had to use that very same word to describe our difficult path to citizenship to a neighbor, who arrived from Latin America with his Swiss wife a few years ago.
This is in no small part due to the fact that voting rights came with corresponding heavy duties, one having to be part of our militia-based army for most of adult life, if not into old age the higher you ranked. Decades of peace and the fall of the Berlin Wall severely eroded those facts, first with women being granted the right to vote in the 70s, then our armed forces shrinking from a Cold War 700k to the current 120k (for a population of 8M). Nowadays 20% of men are deemed unfit for any service, only about a third serving in the army, as a growing proportion opt for a form of substitute civil service. Interestingly it is being discussed to extend service obligations to women (an initiative of center-right parties).
As for lowering further voting age, it is an old debate, understandably confronted with the fact that youth tend to be prime targets for both extremes of the political spectrum.
"It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks, and become one with all the people."
~ Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang, "Ethics for Tomorrow"
Voting is a right and a duty for any citizen. Change my mind.
That's poisoning the well. Every time that issue comes up people talk of pedophiles, murderers, terrorists and whatnot.
Most felonies are shit like DUIs, possession charges (this is where racism comes into play too, as minorities are much more likely to be charged and convincted for possession than white people, despite of the fact that statistically the likelihood of being a user is statistically identical), people who smoked a joint or whatnot shouldn't have their voting rights restricted.
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That argument automatically fails to hold any value once you realize that
1. People have jobs and other obligations and in the US voting day is not a holiday or even a weekend day.
2. Access to voting is restricted via things like few polling stations at remote locations, requirement for pre-registration instead of automatic eligibility and by restrictions on alternative means of voting.
So yeah. Your arguments are dumb.