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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Facts are "someone comitted suicide". The facts are not "someone comitted suicide because evil men".

    Blizzard has heavily critisized the investigation - lets see what comes of it - it sounds like it was done very shoddy. Also remember an investigation doesnt really mean anything before its been analyzed by impartials.v

    Te reason men are saying "what about men" is because this is being made into a gender issue. I believe there are toxic men. And i believe something should be done about it. But making it into a gender issue based on a few men behaving like that is nothing short of gender nazism
    Of course Blizzard is going to criticize it lol. Like, what do you expect, them to roll over and go "yep, they're right!".

    The issue you're missing here is that you literally have employees coming out one by one repeatedly to say that the investigation was RIGHT. There isn't a point anymore of "Oh well let's wait and see". How the hell are you honestly going to look at this situation, see the overwhelming evidence, criticize THAT, but then also go "well Blizzard said this thing so they're right".

    If you're making it into a "what about men", you're just proving the underlying issue here.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by mbit View Post
    Was it even a biological women or one of their trans hires? Would bring it back to men issues. Also matters on the seriousness since they they have a high suicide rate in general which would increase chances it was due other shit and not blizzard did it!!!
    The problem is making this a gender issue to start with. It used to be race issues now its gender issues.v

    These things are much easier to sort if americans would stop pointing fingers and putting people into boxes of collateral guilt

  3. #183
    Forced gender quotas are ruining industries.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.
    @Video Games

    What have you done

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    People like you are the ones making this into a gender issue for fuck sake.

    "These guys are sexually harassing people, it's a problem"
    "Why are you saying ALL men are rapists? #NotAllMen"

    Come on dude stop thinking in absolutes
    Its ClassicPeon, have you seen his posting history? His highest aspiration is to be invited into the "Cosby Suite".

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Of course Blizzard is going to criticize it lol. Like, what do you expect, them to roll over and go "yep, they're right!".

    The issue you're missing here is that you literally have employees coming out one by one repeatedly to say that the investigation was RIGHT. There isn't a point anymore of "Oh well let's wait and see". How the hell are you honestly going to look at this situation, see the overwhelming evidence, criticize THAT, but then also go "well Blizzard said this thing so they're right".

    If you're making it into a "what about men", you're just proving the underlying issue here.
    I'm actively trying to avoid making it into a "these are the victims - these are the bad guys" thing as opposed to certain other people in here. I havent seen how many emplyees have come out, and more importantly i havent seen when this was or what time period they are refering to.

    Admittedly blizzard has had problems in the past - is it these problems the workers are refering to?

  7. #187
    "real people have been harmed, and some women had terrible experiences."

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    Read my post again.

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    Read my post again.
    Except he is literally pretending it didnt happen by saying "if i had known i would have done something!" except he did know, for a long time, and he didnt do anything, so he is literally pretending it did not happen, stop trying to suck off mike.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    People like you are the ones making this into a gender issue for fuck sake.

    "These guys are sexually harassing people, it's a problem"
    "Why are you saying ALL men are rapists? #NotAllMen"

    Come on dude stop thinking in absolutes, there's no need to be this fragile whenever sexual harassers get accused of being sexual harassers.
    I'm literally not the one bringing it up no, i simply respond to people who bring up gender issues - just like i respond to people who are racist.

    In general you can find me responding to people who over generalize

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    "real people have been harmed, and some women had terrible experiences."

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
    "real people"
    See they dont care about what they did to sylvanas

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    I'm actively trying to avoid making it into a "these are the victims - these are the bad guys" thing as opposed to certain other people in here. I havent seen how many emplyees have come out, and more importantly i havent seen when this was or what time period they are refering to.

    Admittedly blizzard has had problems in the past - is it these problems the workers are refering to?
    In this thread alone people have linked Josh and a former dev Cher coming out in response to this very message from Morhaime, saying that they both tried to contact him about the rampant issues. That Cher was threatened for even trying to contact him.

    Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to change that.

  12. #192
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.v

    Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not happening - thats why we dont rely on anecdotal evidence mate.v

    Blizzard has already pointed out their critique points in their reply so i will just refer to that as for poitns why it was done shoddy
    So because one random shitposter says we should build a wall around men you go "oh i guess this entire investigation is bullshit cause a coomer says he cant keep his hands off women!"

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    Have you thought about reading up on this current issue then before defending Blizzard?


    First time seeing his posts actually.
    Do you have a record of the amount of people coming out and saying this?

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    The problem is making this a gender issue to start with. It used to be race issues now its gender issues.v

    These things are much easier to sort if americans would stop pointing fingers and putting people into boxes of collateral guilt
    I think recognizing there is a pervasive cultural problem amongst a large segment of men in the video game industry (both those who work for it simply just enjoy games) is important to acknowledge. How do you expect to work towards a solution if we don't acknowledge there's a bigger problem at large with many in the community itself that fosters this type of behavior?

    I mean, we make jokes about Call of Duty lobbies and what not, but people also joke about rape, the old "get in the kitchen woman" crap, and it's pretty well known that women in gaming are often treated poorly.

    I absolutely think the first step to fixing any of this is first acknowledging that there's a problem at large to begin with, not push it aside. "Collateral guilt" isn't a thing. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you're guilty by default or can't help change things for example.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    In this thread alone people have linked Josh and a former dev Cher coming out in response to this very message from Morhaime, saying that they both tried to contact him about the rampant issues. That Cher was threatened for even trying to contact him.

    Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to change that.
    yes i have read those and responded to them. What Lore says only confirms my suspisions that what we are dealing with here is a past issue - at least partial.

    Not sure how i am sticking my head in the sand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    @Video Games

    What have you done
    My job

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    So because one random shitposter says we should build a wall around men you go "oh i guess this entire investigation is bullshit cause a coomer says he cant keep his hands off women!"
    Huh? No. Thats not what i said at all. Did you genuinely read my post and come to that conclusion?

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    yes i have read those and responded to them. What Lore says only confirms my suspisions that what we are dealing with here is a past issue - at least partial.

    Not sure how i am sticking my head in the sand
    At what point did you get "past issue" when there was an investigation in the last two years that turned up the same results, and Josh also said he felt like his reports were doing nothing, meaning nothing was changing.

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    the I hate you one. But I don't really.

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    [QUOTE=LordVargK;53300092]
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Cannot play Blizzard games anymore knowing that all these people I looked up to have been involved in this. The name Blizzard is tainted, their games are tainted.
    /QUOTE]

    Come one, we both know that this is BS. Nobody cares about who made a product, as long as the product is good. Apple treats the workers in their fabrics like shit, Amazon treats their workers like shit, Walt Disney was a huge antisemite... All those companies still thrive.
    Blizzard gets slack because they did not release a good game in years, rather contrary.

    This affair did not taint Blizzard games at all, Blizzard games were tainted by mediocraty for a while now, while Blizzard acted like they produced diamonds. That's why people are really mad.
    I don't care about what Blizzard become, its what Blizzard were. Plus I was a fan of Blizzard, apple is just a thing I consume I have no passion or connection the same way I did for Blizzard.

    WoW was made by people who are being accused of harassment, they stem from the people who made the game. They are literally in and around the game. They are the roots and the core of what WoW was, what Blizzard games in general were.

    cool you can turn a blind I and continue to give Blizzard your money, but I cannot. I was really looking forward to playing the Diablo 2 remaster and Diablo 4, now all I see when I look at those games are the people who originally created it, who are now in the toxic frat club and not the visionaries who I inspired to be growing up.

    I been playing Blizzard games since 1994, I was 11 years old at the time, Blizzard have been so much apart of my life growing up, I remember the old manuals that used to come with the old Blizzard games, those things were my bibles, I used to read them at night because back then those books would be filled with lore about the game, its because of Blizzard I got into the fantasy genre. Trust me when Metzen gets outed (and he will), I am done. forever.
    Last edited by Orby; 2021-07-24 at 02:50 PM.
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  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by lazypeon100 View Post
    I think recognizing there is a pervasive cultural problem amongst a large segment of men in the video game industry (both those who work for it simply just enjoy games) is important to acknowledge. How do you expect to work towards a solution if we don't acknowledge there's a bigger problem at large with many in the community itself that fosters this type of behavior?

    I mean, we make jokes about Call of Duty lobbies and what not, but people also joke about rape, the old "get in the kitchen woman" crap, and it's pretty well known that women in gaming are often treated poorly.

    I absolutely think the first step to fixing any of this is first acknowledging that there's a problem at large to begin with, not push it aside. "Collateral guilt" isn't a thing. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you're guilty by default or can't help change things for example.
    My honest reaction to the lobby/discord/voicecom thing is that most people treat eachothers as shit on those - especially random strangers - and that anything possible that can be used against eachother will be used against eachother. If they find out someone is a women that is then cannon fodder for them. I dont its specifically targettet against women as much as its just people using whatever they can against eachother

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    At what point did you get "past issue" when there was an investigation in the last two years that turned up the same results, and Josh also said he felt like his reports were doing nothing, meaning nothing was changing.



    *insert Anakin gif here*. You know what one.
    the I hate you one. But I don't really.
    Because he was clearly refering to Mikes entire leadership period.v

    The investigation taking place in the last two years doesnt mean the investigation was centered around things that happened in these last two yearsv

    Are you literally trying to bully me with the meme thing or? Its kinda sus.

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