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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    2 year long investigation, dozens of people working/worked at Blizzard pointing out that it's worse/just as bad as claimed.

    Your reaction in this thread: Yeah but what about men? Reeee fucking overreacting women


    Lmao
    Is that my reaction? Odd. Thats not what i remember typing.

    Let me just remind you that no conclusions can be based on that investigation as long as no judgement has been done by impartials. I also havent seen anyone point out when these things happened

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Except it's literally full of lies, have you read anything in this thread?
    Read my post again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Ye, the guy is like literally implying he did not know. I mean, cmon bruh.
    Read my post again.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    In what way does the investigation sound shoddy?


    No it's not lol

    Literally no one serious has said "all men are evil rapist sexual harassing tools", get that snowflake shit out of here.
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.v

    Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not happening - thats why we dont rely on anecdotal evidence mate.v

    Blizzard has already pointed out their critique points in their reply so i will just refer to that as for poitns why it was done shoddy

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Facts are "someone comitted suicide". The facts are not "someone comitted suicide because evil men".

    Blizzard has heavily critisized the investigation - lets see what comes of it - it sounds like it was done very shoddy. Also remember an investigation doesnt really mean anything before its been analyzed by impartials.v

    Te reason men are saying "what about men" is because this is being made into a gender issue. I believe there are toxic men. And i believe something should be done about it. But making it into a gender issue based on a few men behaving like that is nothing short of gender nazism
    Was it even a biological women or one of their trans hires? Would bring it back to men issues. Also matters on the seriousness since they they have a high suicide rate in general which would increase chances it was due other shit and not blizzard did it!!!

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.v
    Key point: "no one serious"

    Blizzard has already pointed out their critique points in their reply so i will just refer to that as for poitns why it was done shoddy
    Right, without giving any examples why they think it was done shoddily. All they said was that "it's false" - and you take their word for it, instead of the dozens of employees confirming it's correct?

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    You think that is it? Get ready to choke on that popcorn cause fucking. https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

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    And yet.... https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20
    To be clear, I wasn't meaning to excuse him. I had just started reading the thread and saw your links and figured bringing the update up was important to give everyone a more clear idea what is happening there.

    As I mentioned to Jester Joe, it really doesn't matter much to me whether he knew entirely or not. It's clear that regardless of his intent, knowledge or lack there of, or if he was complicit, he allowed for this sort of culture to foster and grow within the company. Which I don't think ignorance is an acceptable excuse.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Facts are "someone comitted suicide". The facts are not "someone comitted suicide because evil men".

    Blizzard has heavily critisized the investigation - lets see what comes of it - it sounds like it was done very shoddy. Also remember an investigation doesnt really mean anything before its been analyzed by impartials.v

    Te reason men are saying "what about men" is because this is being made into a gender issue. I believe there are toxic men. And i believe something should be done about it. But making it into a gender issue based on a few men behaving like that is nothing short of gender nazism
    Of course Blizzard is going to criticize it lol. Like, what do you expect, them to roll over and go "yep, they're right!".

    The issue you're missing here is that you literally have employees coming out one by one repeatedly to say that the investigation was RIGHT. There isn't a point anymore of "Oh well let's wait and see". How the hell are you honestly going to look at this situation, see the overwhelming evidence, criticize THAT, but then also go "well Blizzard said this thing so they're right".

    If you're making it into a "what about men", you're just proving the underlying issue here.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by mbit View Post
    Was it even a biological women or one of their trans hires? Would bring it back to men issues. Also matters on the seriousness since they they have a high suicide rate in general which would increase chances it was due other shit and not blizzard did it!!!
    The problem is making this a gender issue to start with. It used to be race issues now its gender issues.v

    These things are much easier to sort if americans would stop pointing fingers and putting people into boxes of collateral guilt

  9. #189
    Forced gender quotas are ruining industries.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    The problem is making this a gender issue to start with. It used to be race issues now its gender issues.v

    These things are much easier to sort if americans would stop pointing fingers and putting people into boxes of collateral guilt
    People like you are the ones making this into a gender issue for fuck sake.

    "These guys are sexually harassing people, it's a problem"
    "Why are you saying ALL men are rapists? #NotAllMen"

    Come on dude stop thinking in absolutes, there's no need to be this fragile whenever sexual harassers get accused of being sexual harassers.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.
    @Video Games

    What have you done

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    People like you are the ones making this into a gender issue for fuck sake.

    "These guys are sexually harassing people, it's a problem"
    "Why are you saying ALL men are rapists? #NotAllMen"

    Come on dude stop thinking in absolutes
    Its ClassicPeon, have you seen his posting history? His highest aspiration is to be invited into the "Cosby Suite".

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Of course Blizzard is going to criticize it lol. Like, what do you expect, them to roll over and go "yep, they're right!".

    The issue you're missing here is that you literally have employees coming out one by one repeatedly to say that the investigation was RIGHT. There isn't a point anymore of "Oh well let's wait and see". How the hell are you honestly going to look at this situation, see the overwhelming evidence, criticize THAT, but then also go "well Blizzard said this thing so they're right".

    If you're making it into a "what about men", you're just proving the underlying issue here.
    I'm actively trying to avoid making it into a "these are the victims - these are the bad guys" thing as opposed to certain other people in here. I havent seen how many emplyees have come out, and more importantly i havent seen when this was or what time period they are refering to.

    Admittedly blizzard has had problems in the past - is it these problems the workers are refering to?

  14. #194
    "real people have been harmed, and some women had terrible experiences."

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    I'm actively trying to avoid making it into a "these are the victims - these are the bad guys" thing as opposed to certain other people in here. I havent seen how many emplyees have come out, and more importantly i havent seen when this was or what time period they are refering to.

    Admittedly blizzard has had problems in the past - is it these problems the workers are refering to?
    Have you thought about reading up on this current issue then before defending Blizzard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Its ClassicPeon, have you seen his posting history? His highest aspiration is to be invited into the "Cosby Suite".
    First time seeing his posts actually.

  16. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    Read my post again.

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    Read my post again.
    Except he is literally pretending it didnt happen by saying "if i had known i would have done something!" except he did know, for a long time, and he didnt do anything, so he is literally pretending it did not happen, stop trying to suck off mike.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    People like you are the ones making this into a gender issue for fuck sake.

    "These guys are sexually harassing people, it's a problem"
    "Why are you saying ALL men are rapists? #NotAllMen"

    Come on dude stop thinking in absolutes, there's no need to be this fragile whenever sexual harassers get accused of being sexual harassers.
    I'm literally not the one bringing it up no, i simply respond to people who bring up gender issues - just like i respond to people who are racist.

    In general you can find me responding to people who over generalize

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    "real people have been harmed, and some women had terrible experiences."

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
    "real people"
    See they dont care about what they did to sylvanas

  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    I'm actively trying to avoid making it into a "these are the victims - these are the bad guys" thing as opposed to certain other people in here. I havent seen how many emplyees have come out, and more importantly i havent seen when this was or what time period they are refering to.

    Admittedly blizzard has had problems in the past - is it these problems the workers are refering to?
    In this thread alone people have linked Josh and a former dev Cher coming out in response to this very message from Morhaime, saying that they both tried to contact him about the rampant issues. That Cher was threatened for even trying to contact him.

    Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to change that.

  20. #200
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.v

    Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not happening - thats why we dont rely on anecdotal evidence mate.v

    Blizzard has already pointed out their critique points in their reply so i will just refer to that as for poitns why it was done shoddy
    So because one random shitposter says we should build a wall around men you go "oh i guess this entire investigation is bullshit cause a coomer says he cant keep his hands off women!"

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