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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    Have you thought about reading up on this current issue then before defending Blizzard?


    First time seeing his posts actually.
    Do you have a record of the amount of people coming out and saying this?

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    The problem is making this a gender issue to start with. It used to be race issues now its gender issues.v

    These things are much easier to sort if americans would stop pointing fingers and putting people into boxes of collateral guilt
    I think recognizing there is a pervasive cultural problem amongst a large segment of men in the video game industry (both those who work for it simply just enjoy games) is important to acknowledge. How do you expect to work towards a solution if we don't acknowledge there's a bigger problem at large with many in the community itself that fosters this type of behavior?

    I mean, we make jokes about Call of Duty lobbies and what not, but people also joke about rape, the old "get in the kitchen woman" crap, and it's pretty well known that women in gaming are often treated poorly.

    I absolutely think the first step to fixing any of this is first acknowledging that there's a problem at large to begin with, not push it aside. "Collateral guilt" isn't a thing. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you're guilty by default or can't help change things for example.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    In this thread alone people have linked Josh and a former dev Cher coming out in response to this very message from Morhaime, saying that they both tried to contact him about the rampant issues. That Cher was threatened for even trying to contact him.

    Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to change that.
    yes i have read those and responded to them. What Lore says only confirms my suspisions that what we are dealing with here is a past issue - at least partial.

    Not sure how i am sticking my head in the sand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    @Video Games

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  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Do you have a record of the amount of people coming out and saying this?
    This comment has a bunch of them linked.
    https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comment..._frat/h62n78j/

    And it's not even up-to-date.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    So because one random shitposter says we should build a wall around men you go "oh i guess this entire investigation is bullshit cause a coomer says he cant keep his hands off women!"
    Huh? No. Thats not what i said at all. Did you genuinely read my post and come to that conclusion?

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    yes i have read those and responded to them. What Lore says only confirms my suspisions that what we are dealing with here is a past issue - at least partial.

    Not sure how i am sticking my head in the sand
    At what point did you get "past issue" when there was an investigation in the last two years that turned up the same results, and Josh also said he felt like his reports were doing nothing, meaning nothing was changing.

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    [QUOTE=LordVargK;53300092]
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Cannot play Blizzard games anymore knowing that all these people I looked up to have been involved in this. The name Blizzard is tainted, their games are tainted.
    /QUOTE]

    Come one, we both know that this is BS. Nobody cares about who made a product, as long as the product is good. Apple treats the workers in their fabrics like shit, Amazon treats their workers like shit, Walt Disney was a huge antisemite... All those companies still thrive.
    Blizzard gets slack because they did not release a good game in years, rather contrary.

    This affair did not taint Blizzard games at all, Blizzard games were tainted by mediocraty for a while now, while Blizzard acted like they produced diamonds. That's why people are really mad.
    I don't care about what Blizzard become, its what Blizzard were. Plus I was a fan of Blizzard, apple is just a thing I consume I have no passion or connection the same way I did for Blizzard.

    WoW was made by people who are being accused of harassment, they stem from the people who made the game. They are literally in and around the game. They are the roots and the core of what WoW was, what Blizzard games in general were.

    cool you can turn a blind I and continue to give Blizzard your money, but I cannot. I was really looking forward to playing the Diablo 2 remaster and Diablo 4, now all I see when I look at those games are the people who originally created it, who are now in the toxic frat club and not the visionaries who I inspired to be growing up.

    I been playing Blizzard games since 1994, I was 11 years old at the time, Blizzard have been so much apart of my life growing up, I remember the old manuals that used to come with the old Blizzard games, those things were my bibles, I used to read them at night because back then those books would be filled with lore about the game, its because of Blizzard I got into the fantasy genre. Trust me when Metzen gets outed (and he will), I am done. forever.
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  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by lazypeon100 View Post
    I think recognizing there is a pervasive cultural problem amongst a large segment of men in the video game industry (both those who work for it simply just enjoy games) is important to acknowledge. How do you expect to work towards a solution if we don't acknowledge there's a bigger problem at large with many in the community itself that fosters this type of behavior?

    I mean, we make jokes about Call of Duty lobbies and what not, but people also joke about rape, the old "get in the kitchen woman" crap, and it's pretty well known that women in gaming are often treated poorly.

    I absolutely think the first step to fixing any of this is first acknowledging that there's a problem at large to begin with, not push it aside. "Collateral guilt" isn't a thing. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you're guilty by default or can't help change things for example.
    My honest reaction to the lobby/discord/voicecom thing is that most people treat eachothers as shit on those - especially random strangers - and that anything possible that can be used against eachother will be used against eachother. If they find out someone is a women that is then cannon fodder for them. I dont its specifically targettet against women as much as its just people using whatever they can against eachother

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    At what point did you get "past issue" when there was an investigation in the last two years that turned up the same results, and Josh also said he felt like his reports were doing nothing, meaning nothing was changing.



    *insert Anakin gif here*. You know what one.
    the I hate you one. But I don't really.
    Because he was clearly refering to Mikes entire leadership period.v

    The investigation taking place in the last two years doesnt mean the investigation was centered around things that happened in these last two yearsv

    Are you literally trying to bully me with the meme thing or? Its kinda sus.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    My honest reaction to the lobby/discord/voicecom thing is that most people treat eachothers as shit on those - especially random strangers - and that anything possible that can be used against eachother will be used against eachother. If they find out someone is a women that is then cannon fodder for them. I dont its specifically targettet against women as much as its just people using whatever they can against eachother
    i just wish more people would get this. They meme bad word dont use and then act surprised that people use it as an insult.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    Key point: "no one serious"



    Right, without giving any examples why they think it was done shoddily. All they said was that "it's false" - and you take their word for it, instead of the dozens of employees confirming it's correct?
    They actually did give some examples like poor communication and false allgeations. As for the "no one serious" part. It doesnt work like that.

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    My honest reaction to the lobby/discord/voicecom thing is that most people treat eachothers as shit on those - especially random strangers - and that anything possible that can be used against eachother will be used against eachother. If they find out someone is a women that is then cannon fodder for them. I dont its specifically targettet against women as much as its just people using whatever they can against eachother
    Ah yes. Because it's never happened before that everything in a lobby is fine until someone hears a female voice. No one has ever said "I just don't feel like talking as a female on an online game".

    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Because he was clearly refering to Mikes entire leadership period.v

    The investigation taking place in the last two years doesnt mean the investigation was centered around things that happened in these last two yearsv
    Except again, reports don't feel ignored if something was fixed.

    Are you also missing that Alex Afrasiabi was named as one of the biggest offenders and he only left Blizzard a year ago?


    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Are you literally trying to bully me with the meme thing or? Its kinda sus.
    And totally. The response that was under Video Games's quote. That was towards Video Games.

    At what point did you think that would be directed at you...

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Ah yes. Because it's never happened before that everything in a lobby is fine until someone hears a female voice. No one has ever said "I just don't feel like talking as a female on an online game".



    Except again, reports don't feel ignored if something was fixed.

    Are you also missing that Alex Afrasiabi was named as one of the biggest offenders and he only left Blizzard a year ago?




    And totally. The response that was under Video Games's quote. That was towards Video Games.

    At what point did you think that would be directed at you...
    They seemingly didn't "take this serious" till the investigation started. Which was when Alex quit as well.

    What's been going on FAR predates the investigation, which is the point.
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  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Ah yes. Because it's never happened before that everything in a lobby is fine until someone hears a female voice. No one has ever said "I just don't feel like talking as a female on an online game".



    Except again, reports don't feel ignored if something was fixed.

    Are you also missing that Alex Afrasiabi was named as one of the biggest offenders and he only left Blizzard a year ago?




    And totally. The response that was under Video Games's quote. That was towards Video Games.

    At what point did you think that would be directed at you...
    Did you have trouble understanding what i wrote?
    I literally said it was cannon fodder - and thats not good. But i dont think its BECAUSE they are female for the most part - as much as i think its because those kind of places are inherently toxic and people will use anything they can against eachother.

    I'm honestly not sure what you mean by the 2nd paragraph. I'm not sure how those two things chance anything i said.

    As for the last part - well since entire thing was about me

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    They seemingly didn't "take this serious" till the investigation started. Which was when Alex quit as well.

    What's been going on FAR predates the investigation, which is the point.
    I don't know about you, but June 2020 isn't 2 years ago.

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Alex_Afrasiabi

    And yes, it obviously predates the investigation. But it was also going on during the investigation is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Are you literally trying to bully me with the meme thing or? Its kinda sus.
    I thought boys liked getting bullied? There's been a couple animes about it

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    The problem is making this a gender issue to start with. It used to be race issues now its gender issues.v

    These things are much easier to sort if americans would stop pointing fingers and putting people into boxes of collateral guilt
    What are you even talking about?
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  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Except he is literally pretending it didnt happen by saying "if i had known i would have done something!" except he did know, for a long time, and he didnt do anything, so he is literally pretending it did not happen, stop trying to suck off mike.
    Thats a hot take.

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    You think that is it? Get ready to choke on that popcorn cause fucking. https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

    - - - Updated - - -



    And yet.... https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

    Fuck..../chocking on the popcorn. This shit is wild.
    People on this thread only get pissed at you when you don't agree with them...FACT

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Did you have trouble understanding what i wrote?
    I literally said it was cannon fodder - and thats not good. But i dont think its BECAUSE they are female for the most part - as much as i think its because those kind of places are inherently toxic and people will use anything they can against eachother.
    how do you ask if I've having trouble understanding what you wrote, when you're literally ignoring what I said.

    Your "example" was saying "well lobbies are always toxic". To which I pointed out you could even have a normal lobby that just freaks out the moment they hear a female voice.

    Again, sticking your head in the sand about it doesn't change that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    I'm honestly not sure what you mean by the 2nd paragraph. I'm not sure how those two things chance anything i said.
    Because obviously it was still ongoing if one of the biggest culprits was still there.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    As for the last part - well since entire thing was about me
    Except what was typed was literally right under a quote of Video Games.

    Although a bit ironic considering the situation that you would somehow try to make it about you.

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