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  1. #221
    i am going to say i am cautiously optimistic about Mike here. i am going to take the opinion that he was kept in the dark about a lot of things. he also seems to not be named in the lawsuit.

    also i dont trust Lore at all. i have to look into something that caught my attention on the official forums.

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Do you realize that the whole lawsuit is about what was happening when Mike Morehaime was at helm of the company? A guy heading the company for 28 years did not know what was going on? Really? You believe that?

    Even Lore called out his bullshit straight out.

    https://twitter.com/devolore
    Lmao. According to that tweet it also means Lore knew about it aswell.

    Look at what Cher is saying to him now.

    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...16459925868548

    These guys are trying to eat each other now so they prove themselves innocent before it's too late.

  3. #223
    Can I just point out how all this corporate woke bullshit that Blizzard has gleefully lead the vanguard in during the past couple of years was nothing but pandering and lecturing to the customer, nothing of it was a sincere human idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Lmao. According to that tweet it also means Lore knew about it aswell.

    Look at what Cher is saying to him now.

    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...16459925868548
    With his fucking pronouns in the bio.

    It's vacuous bullshit. All of it.

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Lmao. According to that tweet it also means Lore knew about it aswell.

    Look at what Cher is saying to him now.

    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...16459925868548

    These guys are trying to eat each other now so they prove themselves innocent before it's too late.
    What are you even on about.

    She clearly says she was under the impression from something she was told.

    And Lore literally said right after what you posted that he knew and reported everything he saw.
    https://twitter.com/devolore/status/1418870901999902723

    Don't try twisting that around.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldielocks View Post
    I mean he clearly states that he failed them. Even if he knew or not, it was his job to know. Either he was a bad person or a bad president. Not good.

    This response is better than others I’ve seen, but it doesn’t really matter anyways. People are out for blood. He can show a picture of himself deep bowing with his forehead touching the floor and someone would say “not enough.”
    If he knew about it and did nothing to stop it, or worse enabled retribution against the accusers, then it doesn't matter how low he bows or how contrite he can be or what type of "champion" he could be going forward. I would be that someone who would say it was not enough.

    That said, very few stories have only one side, which is one of the reasons we have courts. I'm not going to sit here and cast judgement on him. My hope is that whoever is guilty in this ordeal will be found out and punished accordingly.

    "Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
    ~ Daryl Davis

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    Can I just point out how all this corporate woke bullshit that Blizzard has gleefully lead the vanguard in during the past couple of years was nothing but pandering and lecturing to the customer, nothing of it was a sincere human idea.
    I feel so fucking nice knowing it was all bullshit from the get go. It literally all started after the Blitzchung controversy. All the fucking pandering. They were just trying to save face.
    It was too damn obvious.

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    With his fucking pronouns in the bio.

    It's vacuous bullshit. All of it.
    Again, he literally said he reported anything he saw. Is he perfect, no. But acting like he's suddenly the culprit is just trying to twist the situation around.

  8. #228
    If everybody knew, and it was so wide spread, it shouldnt be to hard to show some hard evidence. Words are nice and all but dont matter

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by ArenaDk View Post
    If everybody knew, and it was so wide spread, it shouldnt be to hard to show some hard evidence. Words are nice and all but dont matter
    I mean, that's literally what testifying is about and witnesses. That's called evidence.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    What are you even on about.

    She clearly says she was under the impression from something she was told.

    And Lore literally said right after what you posted that he knew and reported everything he saw.
    https://twitter.com/devolore/status/1418870901999902723

    Don't try twisting that around.
    Twisting? Against who? It seems to me like Mike knew about it. Lore knew about and while he did report it, he didn't report it to the right people.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by ArenaDk View Post
    If everybody knew, and it was so wide spread, it shouldnt be to hard to show some hard evidence. Words are nice and all but dont matter
    Yeah and since they are being sued im sure the hard evidence is saved for the court room.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Twisting? Against who? It seems to me like Mike knew about it. Lore knew about and while he did report it, he didn't report it to the right people.
    Except that wraps back right into what this case is about.

    If you read the court case, they literally list off that the employees felt as if HR was useless, that no reports were ever handled, etc.

    You can't report it to the right people if the right people don't exist.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Twisting? Against who? It seems to me like Mike knew about it. Lore knew about and while he did report it, he didn't report it to the right people.
    who else is he supposed to report it to? like, it's pretty obvious this is a problem with the management at nearly every level.

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I mean, that's literally what testifying is about and witnesses. That's called evidence.
    Testifying in court maybe. However even that isnt enough to convict someone of such a serious crime. All the current stuff? has no weight

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Again, he literally said he reported anything he saw. Is he perfect, no. But acting like he's suddenly the culprit is just trying to twist the situation around.
    Not my intention of pointing him as a culprit. That would be shooting the messenger. I'm glad that people like him are now airing the dirty laundry.

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Except that wraps back right into what this case is about.

    If you read the court case, they literally list off that the employees felt as if HR was useless, that no reports were ever handled, etc.

    You can't report it to the right people if the right people don't exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    who else is he supposed to report it to? like, it's pretty obvious this is a problem with the management at nearly every level.
    Someone on the outside. Kotaku, Polygon, IGN, Jason Schreier, idk. He used to be a big wow youtuber iirc. Someone would've listened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Lmao. According to that tweet it also means Lore knew about it aswell.

    Look at what Cher is saying to him now.

    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...16459925868548

    These guys are trying to eat each other now so they prove themselves innocent before it's too late.
    Lol. I fucking hate lore so him getting called out makes me tingly down there

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    Like so many in upper management he chose to turn a blind eye to all of this. He could have made a difference but chose not to get his hands dirty and did nothing, profit and personal comfort over the safety of those he employed.

    There isn't much more to say other than he's a failed CEO and carries that failure with him to Dreamhaven.

  19. #239
    'to tell their truth.'

    The Truth. There is no 'personal' truth level. There is 'the truth' and then there is 'personal opinion'.

    Yes, someone can 'feel' discriminated against while not actually being discriminated against. That doesn't make it 'their truth', it makes it their opinion. It is not the truth.

    Choosing a highly knowledgeable friend for a team instead of being told to 'balance for diversity', is not discrimination. It is choosing to work with a friend to make the job easier and more productive.

    Paying someone less for the same position (and experience in that position) due to their gender is discrimination, but not picking them for a higher paying position because they aren't as qualified is not.

    So, what is the case about? Disgruntled for not getting picked? Discriminated against by not getting the position when you were more qualified? Literally paid less when equally experienced in the same position?

    We need facts, the truth... not 'their truth' or it is not believable.

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by ArenaDk View Post
    Testifying in court maybe. However even that isnt enough to convict someone of such a serious crime. All the current stuff? has no weight
    What do you think they'll be doing with this? Just spreading it now and saying nothing then?

    And it's going to carry weight when you have multiple people telling the same exact story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    Not my intention of pointing him as a culprit. That would be shooting the messenger. I'm glad that people like him are now airing the dirty laundry.
    Just seems weird to attack him for having his pronouns in his bio then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Someone on the outside. Kotaku, Polygon, IGN, Jason Schreier, idk. He used to be a big wow youtuber iirc. Someone would've listened.
    People have always been blasting Blizzard though for things like how they pay their employees, and past decisions, etc.
    Nothing ever actually got a huge amount of traction since Blitzchung.

    And reporting to those companies doesn't mean they can do much more. It sounds like for the last two years at least they've already had the worst reporting can do, getting investigated by the State.

    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    Lol. I fucking hate lore so him getting called out makes me tingly down there
    ಠ_ಠ

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