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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Well, isn't he working at RIOT games now, which faced similar allegations recently? Maybe it's better for him not to say anything, even if he did nothing wrong. Becoming proactive right now only puts you in the spotlight as a potential perpetrator. There's not really anything that can be said now that is productive in this situation.

    Let the law do its thing. Everything somebody says now will be turned against them, see this thread.
    Anyone working for a CCP funded company like Tencent and therefore riot doesnt have the right to morally grandstand against anything or anyone.

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Just that the post you responded to I LITERALLY said what they need to do in that situation at Blizzard, and also in other threads.
    You went off about the male suicide rates in Norway. Which is tragic, yes. But there's no reason to bring that up aside from trying to drag the topic away. It has nothing to do with Blizzard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Not at all, I was pointing out a huge flaw in that poster's response. And its an attitude that is infesting, and really needs to go away if the problems we have in our society gets better.
    You mean where they responded to someone who was literally saying harassment isn't enough to get someone in trouble? Maybe you should check that out first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Maybe YOU know, but sure as hell I can see people don't know.
    It's a constant talking point, and a part of the big push for better mental health care in the US. Pretty sure it's safe to say people know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Guess what, thats what the other poster did.

    Do you even read the posts? It's like reading one sentence, but ignoring context completely.
    You mean where they called out another poster for the same kind of bad faith argument because they were trying to accuse everyone of being sexist against men with this case, and you're coming in here to defend that?

    I think you're the one ignoring context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Is it hard to discuss stuff without trying to point something at someone? He said something I dont like, thus he is a victim, incel whatever. Its just hard to take you seriously.
    Try rereading what the user you originally went at was responding to then.

    And I said you were playing the victim card, not that you were a victim, nor did I use the term incel.
    You can hardly say it's "hard to take someone seriously" when you're coming into a thread with a topic to go "but this other horrible situation!" while also completely making up what others are saying.
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  3. #283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Just that the post you responded to I LITERALLY said what they need to do in that situation at Blizzard, and also in other threads.


    Not at all, I was pointing out a huge flaw in that poster's response. And its an attitude that is infesting, and really needs to go away if the problems we have in our society gets better.

    Maybe YOU know, but sure as hell I can see people don't know.

    Guess what, thats what the other poster did.

    Do you even read the posts? It's like reading one sentence, but ignoring context completely. And I am not a victim. Now thats useless to use against anyone, because you are just trying to demean the point. Is it hard to discuss stuff without trying to point something at someone? He said something I dont like, thus he is a victim, incel whatever. Its just hard to take you seriously.
    It is amazing how some of you go into such conclusions.

    Chances are he did not know any of it, like Mike. IF you know anything of big companies, you know that.

    It is impossible for the upper CEO of a company to know what cooks in the office on specify departments, nor should he really know. In a good work environment, you allow certain level of freedom, where managers take care of professional and personal work related matters. The CEO has to put his trust on the different layers all the way down to the employees, the last thing he needs to worry is that certain management levels, even high ones, are corrupted. Obviously, they will not go and report this to their superiors but hide it.

    Either way, they did leave the company, and I´d bet they did leave in a part also because of this shit going down.. obviously they did not want to be involved.. so they did the right thing: get out of there.

    Also, about the name on tweeter... you would have done the same, ANYONE would have done the same. IF you are guilty or innocent, you will certainly want to know, right away, if your name is somewhere on that mess... pretty natural thing to do.. right away.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I think you're the one ignoring context.
    You should try to read what I actually respond to first. Seems to have ignored that.
    and you're coming in here to defend that?
    Its like you have given up at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alamhaoingaturlife View Post
    Anyone unironically using the word incel isnt someone worth arguing with. They are subhumans to me. You should do he same.
    I know, and I usually just try to avoid being in a discussion like this, but I can't stand the attitude some people have. Some times I just can't help it.

    Yes, the discussion is about what happened to blizzard, but half of the posts here are about women vs men anyway. Its the attutide of some people. Like there are only men in big corporations that are aholes. No, men in small companies can also be aholes just to put it out there(maybe I score some points now)

    But to label someone incel, or playing the victim card... Fuck sake.

    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    It is amazing how some of you go into such conclusions.
    Sure, I acknowledge that. I don't mean to be "burn Mike Morheime" but more like those who actually did this, needs to gets fired etc. In the end in a lawsuit or similar stuff, it's the company that gets the punishment.

    I mean they already made Afrisiabi leave, so to say they didn't do anything isn't right either. I am not the one to point anything of anyone of the leaders, but what I react more to in an earlier post is that some people say that Brack definitely knew, but Morheime did not? Doesn't make sense.

    I am all for not guilty until proven in a court with evidence, we are to swift to pass judgement these days.
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  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    You went off about the male suicide rates in Norway. Which is tragic, yes. But there's no reason to bring that up aside from trying to drag the topic away. It has nothing to do with Blizzard.
    Don't forget the starving children in Africa! We should let this sexual harassment continue because people are dying in Syria. I agree, people are performing insane mental gymnastics to defend a corporation that doesn't even think of them as more than a MAU and a source of money. Mind blowing.

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Alamhaoingaturlife View Post
    He's likely guilty as fuck too.

    When this whole manifesto got released, he tweeted "chris metzen" in reply to it.
    Meaning he tried to search for his name, but accidentally posted a tweet instead.
    Now, I wonder, why would someone be searching for their own name in a document talking about sexual misbehaviour at his former workplace?
    If I worked at blizzard upper management at some point in time and this shit happened.. you best believe the first thing i am going to do is make sure my name isnt in all that shit.

    So no, your logic is flawed.

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Alamhaoingaturlife View Post
    Anyone working for a CCP funded company like Tencent and therefore riot doesnt have the right to morally grandstand against anything or anyone.
    Nobody is innocent, therefore nobody has the moral authority to judge another person. Yet we do. So keep your thinly veiled racism to yourself. China is probably proxy paying your bills as well.

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    You should try to read what I actually respond to first. Seems to have ignored that.

    Its like you have given up at this point.
    ...you're the one who just cut out 90% of a post to give a random pat on the back to yourself.

    A poster came in to complain about how "BUT MEN GET HARASSED TOO". Which literally no one denied. At all. At any point. Again, just a weird attempt to go "victim card!".

    Azerate responded to them calling them out on such a bad faith post, saying that when there's large corporation harassment of males we'll talk about it, but right now this is about what happened to females at ActiBlizz. Didn't deny that males get harassed, again. Key point there. Just a simple fact that it's not what happened here so it's a weird thing to bring up.

    To which you came in to make a weird claim that "men are expected to just accept it". Went on about the suicide rate of Norway and somehow tried to draw a connection between men harassing women and men killing themselves, which makes little to no sense.

    And then you got mad and called it "useless" when it was pointed out that nothing you said had anything to do with Blizzard.

    Is that a good enough recap for you?

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Nobody is innocent, therefore nobody has the moral authority to judge another person. Yet we do. So keep your thinly veiled racism to yourself. China is probably proxy paying your bills as well.
    What racism? He talks about China state, not Chinese people.

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Inoculate View Post
    Don't forget the starving children in Africa! We should let this sexual harassment continue because people are dying in Syria. I agree, people are performing insane mental gymnastics to defend a corporation that doesn't even think of them as more than a MAU and a source of money. Mind blowing.
    Every sixty seconds in Africa, a minute passes

    But yeah. There's obviously horrible situations going on in the world in general, I don't know why they think it's being denied.

    It's like the huge debate that happened in a discord I was in. Some guildies were mocking the protest in game, and saying "There's better ways to show protests", but kept making it a "you do one or the other", not like you could protest in multiple ways.

    Granted, I do get it comes off a bit odd to protest in game at first, but it did get articles about it which draws more attention to the case.
    Last edited by Jester Joe; 2021-07-24 at 05:34 PM.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Alamhaoingaturlife View Post
    He's likely guilty as fuck too.

    When this whole manifesto got released, he tweeted "chris metzen" in reply to it.
    Meaning he tried to search for his name, but accidentally posted a tweet instead.
    Now, I wonder, why would someone be searching for their own name in a document talking about sexual misbehaviour at his former workplace?
    Wow, you're blaming him because he searched for his own name? Perhaps he just wants a clear conscious knowing he isn't named. It could be false claims after all.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by cerebro View Post
    If I worked at blizzard upper management at some point in time and this shit happened.. you best believe the first thing i am going to do is make sure my name isnt in all that shit.

    So no, your logic is flawed.
    Why? If you're innocent then you have nothing to fear, and shouldnt be searching for your name.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    Wow, you're blaming him because he searched for his own name? Perhaps he just wants a clear conscious knowing he isn't named. It could be false claims after all.
    I won't hold my breath honestly. It is suspicious to do that, but honestly in a similar situation I'd probably be paranoid enough to check even if I know I'm innocent.

    But I wouldn't hold my breath because everyone that seems to be the most at fault so far are the older members. Although Kaplan is also pretty quiet so far and not mentioned as far as I know.

  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by Porimlys View Post
    "real people and some women"

    jesus christ
    Reading is difficult? You're not quoting correctly.

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Nobody is innocent, therefore nobody has the moral authority to judge another person. Yet we do. So keep your thinly veiled racism to yourself. China is probably proxy paying your bills as well.
    Racism? Dont use words you dont understand. Morons like you diluting the meaning of the word are the reason issues like that arent taken seriously in the first place. Are you sitting there, defending a country with institutionalized slave labour and concentration camps? A country that violates human rights on a secondly basis?
    let me guess, its okay when china does it?

    I repeat: anyone working for a china owned company doesnt have the right to morally grandstand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I won't hold my breath honestly. It is suspicious to do that, but honestly in a similar situation I'd probably be paranoid enough to check even if I know I'm innocent.

    But I wouldn't hold my breath because everyone that seems to be the most at fault so far are the older members. Although Kaplan is also pretty quiet so far and not mentioned as far as I know.
    No you dont understand, he was only trying to search the document to see if he wasnt wrongly accused :^)
    There is no way in hell coke-fiend metzen wasnt in on this.

  16. #296
    I wonder how many old guard over the years were asked to leave, so blizzard could save face. Ill wait and see who is proven guilty and who was not.

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    ThE OlD GuArD AnD OLd BlIzZaRd WaS PeRfEcTiOn!


    Seems myths are being challenged in real time here.
    I see nothing wrong. Please provide actual evidence old Blizzard (all of them, in your words) did the things claimed by some on these boards.

    Cause right now I just see someone bitching and blaming a big group of people over the actions of a few unproven claims.

  18. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by damonskye View Post
    Bullshit. The CEO of the company knows if there are claims of harassment, if someone is going around talking about Cosby rooms, and if a female employee committed suicide after being harassed. The first time Morhaime heard about this was NOT after he left Blizzard; he heard about issues while he was still there. The boss may not know about where next Tuesday's luncheon is, or that one of his employees had a baby. But... I guarantee you the boss knows about massive endemic HR issues and a toxic frat boy culture.

    Stop being a Blizzard apologist. This was not a secret. It was widespread, it was pervasive, and it went on for over a decade. People knew this shit was going down, and even on Twitter, former female employees are calling Morhaime out because THEY TOLD HIM about it.
    Hello, saying what I said does in no way, shape, or form, make me a blizzard apologist, disagreeing with me makes me a Blizzard apologist? Therefore you are a blizzard apologist for disagreewing with me.

    See? Thats dumb thinking.

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    ...you're the one who just cut out 90% of a post to give a random pat on the back to yourself.
    Why should I use time to discuss with someone that does it in bad faith? If someone are trying to pinpoint something at me, I just leave because no way I am gonna spend time discussing with such person.

    And then you got mad and called it "useless" when it was pointed out that nothing you said had anything to do with Blizzard.

    Is that a good enough recap for you?
    Stop trying to make everything about you/men. Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please.
    No, because what you wrote or base the post about, isn't what Azerate wrote.

    And yes, its useless because you try to pin a victim card on me, without actually trying to discuss.

    Do you want me to recap?

    I said the thing about men and mental health issue, because I was making a point that somehow women are the only victims of said cases. That poster literally wrote that "Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please."

    Again you think thats a fair post to write to anyone pointing out that males are getting harrassed and treated badly? Maybe men are tired of being ignored, could that be it?`So when they see people massively generalizing they kind of don't like that? Again, you try to pin some opinions on me in the other posts, which I didn't write anything about, or to. I didn't even comment on that.

    "Going mad" you wrote. The only one who went mad was the one who just ignored everything and then came with an insult with no bearing on the posts, thread or context whatsoever.

    There is your recap. Someone went ballistic when someone wrote something they didn't like, so they make up opinions and what people wrote to feel better about themselves. Thats a fucking pad on the back right there, not the one who just try to avoid to discuss more because the other poster, as in you, are discussing in bad faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inoculate View Post
    Don't forget the starving children in Africa! We should let this sexual harassment continue because people are dying in Syria. I agree, people are performing insane mental gymnastics to defend a corporation that doesn't even think of them as more than a MAU and a source of money. Mind blowing.
    Where did I defend Blizzard?
    - Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle… and wonder if we’ll ever get the chance to kill him.

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post

    Cause right now I just see someone bitching and blaming a big group of people over the actions of a few unproven claims.
    you people keep giving yourselves away every time you ignore that a state government investigated Blizzard for 2 years before coming forward with the lawsuit.

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