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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfcap View Post
    I worked in the gaming industry and I am quite sure I will not going back. It was smaller level than a Blizz one, but the toxicity is rampant everywhere.

    Don't get so high up with devs being evil now. You, the gamerbase has as much toxicity and harm as them. I knew a girl who was driven to suicide by another guy's action. We even have to hide our gender just to not get harassed, insulted, threatened with harm or rape, followed irl, and all those shit. Not only eggplant pics, but I got selfharm pics and such, just because I helped someone out in a quest and he got to know from a guildie that I'm a woman and he got obsessed. Could go on multiple experiences over the years.

    Regardless the immense amount of poison both layers, we are here for the dev situation atm. I had guys not doing what I asked them as a higher up, bc my gender, harassment, accusing being emotional when I called them out on their bullcrap. Rape jokes, subtle threats, touching, insults, everything.

    But here's the thing. A lot of times these harrassers:

    1. They will say they didn't do anything, bc in their eyes their rape jokes, touching, hugging woman (only the ones they are attracted to though...), asking more than one times for a date, getting around to talk to them, ignoring their discomfort, all of this and more is nothing to them. So they will tell their friends and family, that they were fired for nothing, and sjws, cancel culture, me too. Bring up the trendy words what ruined your career, never you.

    2. They will act normal and friendly with other guys or higher ups. They will never know how scummy is he, and if they are friends and "Jeff is always nice to me, bros before...", you will never get the support, no one will believe you. Just read the comments about women coming forward in a harassment case. The names they are called, they get threats, etc. False accusations are pulled up although it's so little in percentage, especially would be little if every single case would have been reported. Yes it's bad but good gods, really have to mention and trying to dismiss every case? Do you sleep better if you dismiss everything? Nevermind, tangent. The thing is that, yes a lot of others are oblivious to this. Morhaime got one letter about it, as a boss, I'm not sure how many he reads. My company had an assistant to the boss who did weeding out in the mails, but a lot of mails got ignored too.

    The harassers hide their shit well, and good actors. It's not just Blizzard, the entire industry is this shit. Oh girls don't go to stem and "man" jobs? My gods, what do you think why is that? I got denied of joining a chess club as a kid, bc "boys would be distracted", if I failed at math it was because I'm a girl, I excelled at physics, a guy must have been tutoring me, pats on the shoulder, hid my gaming hobby, I hid everything what could be taken feminine online, just to have peace.

    Do freaking better BOTH sides. You, the gamerbase, ignore everything and we need to suck it up, block them, oh you get harassment too? Haha, CoD lobby amirite. Man, you have no idea how harsher girls get, irl and online. Get a grip. I block them, they will come back with new accounts. They are not shunned or punished, not excluded, they always find groups to do this with. Report systems are horsepoop, no harsh punishment. I see the comments over girls being harassed, like we are fragile and too sensitive. Overreacting. It's dismissed everywhere.

    So get down from your high horse. You don't do better either. There's no industry where you don't find this, unless it's conventionally "feminine" job.

    Bleed out the bad blood, there are good people with them too, with genuinely no clue about it. Not an excuse, but this is now an opportunity to bleed them out and start anew.
    With all my respect, you better make another thread for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    Women were being harassed on a massive scale in Blizzard. This is what we are talking about currently. Stop trying to make everything about you/men. Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please.
    Why you are not accepting th3 fact that he said both genders get harassed, why you are getting offended

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    Finally a real fucking reponse, no its not perfect, but its the first one that is not pretending it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    Women were being harassed on a massive scale in Blizzard. This is what we are talking about currently. Stop trying to make everything about you/men. Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please.
    It's always about women ain't it? Even in generalized situations where both are affected (this is one of them), it's always about the women in that situation. Not that i don't feel sympathy, but this egotism must end.

    PS: Don't tell me what to talk about. Focus on yourself and don't mind me

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    I believe Mike, it feels genuine. JAB came off as corporate speak, especially since he is specifically mentioned in the lawsuit as the one covering for Afrisabi time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    Finally a real fucking reponse, no its not perfect, but its the first one that is not pretending it didn't happen.
    This. it's why i believe Mike's genuine response, because it does seem genuine and people can see right through the BS *looks at JAB*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    Finally a real fucking reponse, no its not perfect, but its the first one that is not pretending it didn't happen.
    To bad its just words like he himself says.

    But i quess its good that after 28 he´s finally ready to use all he´s influence to help drive positive change and to combat misogyny and discrimination, to bad he didnt spend these past 28 years combating it, but better late then never right.

  7. #147
    The investigation started while he was still in charge which means the behavior had been going on for a very long time under him. He is complicit and is lying if he says otherwise.
    "Privilege is invisible to those who have it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    Being a woman doesn't prevent you from having shitty takes, influenced by the culture of denigrating women you've been brought up in. Look around, do research, and stop blaming the victims, what you wrote is disgusting.
    Mmhm, just go on Twitch you will get what I mean. I won’t be discussing this with you further if you think my comment is disgusting. Most of situations are indeed unfortunate and inevitable, but most of the time you are controlling your life from a driver seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    To bad its just words like he himself says.

    But i quess its good that after 28 he´s finally ready to use all he´s influence to help drive positive change and to combat misogyny and discrimination, to bad he didnt spend these past 28 years combating it, but better late then never right.
    Well you usually don't go in game developement to battle misogyny and discrimination. And the fact is that after Blizzard became big, he most likely wasn't sitting around other employees in their cubicles or shit watching everyones moves like a hawk.

    The reason he might not have know is actually very simple. It's because no one else did either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    I believe Mike, it feels genuine. JAB came off as corporate speak, especially since he is specifically mentioned in the lawsuit as the one covering for Afrisabi time and time again.

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    This. it's why i believe Mike's genuine response, because it does seem genuine and people can see right through the BS *looks at JAB*
    Please Mike has alot more guilt in this then JAB, JAB is by no means guilt free and i would say he needs to be replaced as President over Blizzard, not all but most of the stuff that has come out is stuff that happened years before JAB even took over and that is on Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Well you usually don't go in game developement to battle misogyny and discrimination. And the fact is that after Blizzard became big, he most likely wasn't sitting around other employees in their cubicles or shit watching everyones moves like a hawk.

    The reason he might not have know is actually very simple. It's because no one else did either.
    Only problem with that is people did actually know it was happening both people who vitnessed it and those that where victims who claimed they told Mike and nothing happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    Women were being harassed on a massive scale in Blizzard. This is what we are talking about currently. Stop trying to make everything about you/men. Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please.
    We should listen and believe all victims of harassment rather than stifle discussion. If someone is trying to broaden and open up the discussion of workplace harassment and oppression, then you should honestly just shut up and let them speak of their experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Well you usually don't go in game developement to battle misogyny and discrimination. And the fact is that after Blizzard became big, he most likely wasn't sitting around other employees in their cubicles or shit watching everyones moves like a hawk.

    The reason he might not have know is actually very simple. It's because no one else did either.
    No one outside the company knew, you dont get a company culture of harassment without any of the leadership knowing. That shit has to be accepted and encouraged because ground level folks take their cue from the existing culture they find when they get there.

    All that shit about "we don't think you'd be a good fit" is real, it's just that "good fit" sometimes means "are you also a shitty dudebro"

    He knew, and promoted assholes like Afrasiabi to senior positions, he's complicit in all this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    Please Mike has alot more guilt in this then JAB, JAB is by no means guilt free and i would say he needs to be replaced as President over Blizzard, not all but most of the stuff that has come out is stuff that happened years before JAB even took over and that is on Mike.

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    Only problem with that is people did actually know it was happening both people who vitnessed it and those that where victims who claimed they told Mike and nothing happened.
    Mike is not named a single time in this suit. JAB is about half a dozen times

    It’s more than likely JAB served as the management under man for Mike and kept it from getting up the ladder anymore out of loyalty to his good buddie afrisabi

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    Yet another Blizz old schooler using language to distance himself over something he should have DAMN put a stop to.

    Ill say this once more:

    Either Blizzard execs knew and did nothing or did not know and are incompetent: either way they are guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvito View Post
    is lying if he says otherwise.
    yall act like in this thread you know them well and be part of the family lol

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    Still waiting for Metzen to be shamed and outed. You know he is probably guilty too. I aint gonna try and hope he aint anymore because its sadly true.

    Cannot play Blizzard games anymore knowing that all these people I looked up to have been involved in this. The name Blizzard is tainted, their games are tainted.

    Steve Danuser and Terry Gregory seem to be in the clear though, they have spoken up about it and haven't received any blow back but have received thanks from employees. The lore team as a whole seem to be pretty much in the clear.
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  17. #157
    I don't know what to believe at this point. And I think it's important to not lose all sense of justice. Clearly, there is something awful at play here and it needs to be dealt with. But without any hard evidence about how this has transpired or any details on how it managed to develop into such a terrible culture people should be reluctant to claim that person X, Y and Z is a terrible human being.

    People are jumping to conclusions and making this far simpler than it really is. Hopefully, the investigation will provide the information required to make things right. Sadly I doubt it will.


    But one has to remember that the word of one individual should not be worth more than the word of another individual. Topics and issues like these needs proper investigations. Having person A claim X, and person B claim Y shouldn't be enough to ruin peoples lives. Doesn't really matter what side of the topic you are on. A society where accusations and claims by themselves are enough to completely destroy people lives is a society that will never work. Those being taken advantage of need to be heard, but those being accused also has the right to be heard and defend themselves. Otherwise, we suddenly have a world where anyone can claim anything and that won't work. And there is a reason why our civilized society is built around the notion "you are innocent until proven guilty", and by proven guilty it means proven guilty by a court of law.

    Doesn't really matter if you are male, female, black, white or whatever. Everyone should be treated equally and everyone should have the right to face justice and a fair trial. I fully agree that it seems really suspicious that the CEO of Blizzard for so many years have not noticed any of this bullshit. But depending on the corporal structure and where the awful people might be in the structure a lot of these things might never reach the top level of the company. Lets not jump to conclusions and start branding people as terrible human beings without proper knowledge of what's been going on and how this all has traspired over the years.

    The most important thing is to make it abundantly clear that corporal culture and behaviour like this is not to be accepted at all. So if and when issues like these will occur in the future (because they will. nobody is perfect, and there will always be scenarios where one person crosses the line, again it doesn't matter if this person is male, female, black or white or whatever) people will actually do something about it and make sure that these people crossing the line are put in their place and this behaviour is getting stopped from the start.


    But one thing this is showing is the fact that there are too much harassment going on in the world. At this point, proper investigations should be put in place in pretty much every company in the world. I know it's impossible to make this happen. But it should clearly become a priority when even workplaces like Activision-Blizzard is incapable of keeping a minimum level of human rights and decency at place in their company. This in not the world we want to live in.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by chaud View Post
    Mike Morhaime Response to Blizzard Lawsuit
    Mike Morhaime posted a response to the Blizzard lawsuit. He stepped down from his position at Blizzard in 2018.
    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    I have read the full complaint against Activision Blizzard and many of the other stories. It is all very disturbing and difficult to read. I am ashamed. It feels like everything I thought I stood for has been washed away. What’s worse but even more important, real people have been harmed, and some women had terrible experiences.

    I was at Blizzard for 28 years. During that time, I tried very hard to create an environment that was safe and welcoming for people of all genders and backgrounds. I knew that it was not perfect, but clearly we were far from that goal. The fact that so many women were mistreated and were not supported means we let them down. In addition, we did not succeed in making it feel safe for people to tell their truth. It is no consolation that other companies have faced similar challenges. I wanted us to be different, better.

    Harassment and discrimination exist. They are prevalent in our industry. It is the responsibility of leadership to keep all employees feeling safe, supported, and treated equitably, regardless of gender and background. It is the responsibility of leadership to stamp out toxicity and harassment in any form, across all levels of the company. To the Blizzard women who experienced any of these things, I am extremely sorry that I failed you.

    I realize that these are just words, but I wanted to acknowledge the women who had awful experiences. I hear you, I believe you, and I am so sorry to have let you down. I want to hear your stories, if you are willing to share them. As a leader in our industry, I can and will use my influence to help drive positive change and to combat misogyny, discrimination, and harassment wherever I can. I believe we can do better, and I believe the gaming industry can be a place where women and minorities are welcomed, included, supported, recognized, rewarded, and ultimately unimpeded from the opportunity to make the types of contributions that all of us join this industry to make. I want the mark I leave on this industry to be something that we can all be proud of.

    -Mike
    What bullshit.

    Allow me to translate Mr Morhaime's bullshit response: "I've started a new publishing company and dont want any bad PR/publicity from my name-association with Blizzard coming over. So please allow me to quickly wipe my hands clean, stick my head in the sand , distance what happened under my leadership - and effectively imply I 'didnt know' - all while condeming the behaviour as abhorrant and unacceptable from a comfortable arms length."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    It's always about women ain't it? Even in generalized situations where both are affected (this is one of them), it's always about the women in that situation. Not that i don't feel sympathy, but this egotism must end.

    PS: Don't tell me what to talk about. Focus on yourself and don't mind me
    "Don't tell me what to talk about" - guy trying to tell others to talk about men instead.

    That's some MRA shit right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtigal View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty. Benefit of the doubt... Apparently these are the privileges you lose when you're rich.
    It's ok, they can wipe their tears with $$.

    You might be "losing" that privilege, but guess what ActiBlizz and the executives and ex-executives in question have the privilege of being well protected by a wall of well-paid lawyers that will ensure they get out of it with minimum actual damage possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    Finally a real fucking reponse, no its not perfect, but its the first one that is not pretending it didn't happen.
    Ye, the guy is like literally implying he did not know. I mean, cmon bruh.
    All my ignores are permanently filtered out and invisible to me. Responding to my posts with nonsense or insults is pointless, you're likely already invisible and if not - 3 clicks away. One ignore is much better than 3 pages of trolling.

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