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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    It's always about women ain't it? Even in generalized situations where both are affected (this is one of them), it's always about the women in that situation. Not that i don't feel sympathy, but this egotism must end.

    PS: Don't tell me what to talk about. Focus on yourself and don't mind me
    How do you even honestly say something like this with such a straight face in this kind of context?

    We have a situation that was so awful a woman literally killed herself over it, and all you can do is go "UGH, WOMEN!"? Wow.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Brandy Camel has talked about Morhaime's open door policy where anyone could go and talk to him. If people weren't telling him what was going on that says something about the retaliation issue in the lawsuit.

    It doesn't bear belief that there was an open-door policy to Mike Morhaime's office and that he was being shielded from what was going on.

    It's curious to me that I've seen posts from the same accounts in the last few hours that 1) say that Brack failed as CEO because he didn't know and 2) that Morhaime gets a pass because as CEO, how could he have ever known.

    It would be great to see users here put aside their agendas for 10 minutes and just consider things logically. The problems at Blizzard go back to the mid-2000's. Are we really going to imagine that Mike somehow didn't know how women were being treated with respect to harassment, pay, advancement and the rest? Please. It doesn't make any sense.
    I believe you as well. Upper management in Blizzard is just pathetic.

    J. Allen needs to be fired. Seems to me he only came to work and went straight to office. Didn't pay attention to his employees and the surroundings they worked in. And am I missing something ?? But doesn't the president of a company not have a weekly meeting with HR about issues of the workplace ?? I highly doubt he was not aware of all the silliness and immature behavior of the men there.

    I think WoW players just want to hold this "Blizzard is a angel" attitude cause the game was King of MMO's for so long. Well was. Not anymore.
    People on this thread only get pissed at you when you don't agree with them...FACT

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Except the entire response is a lie. https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...407635457?s=20

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    Feel free ,but don't believe his statement, and don't fool yourself that his statement is true when it's literally not.

    Your free to believe whatever you want, but if you believe he's innocent we are gunna tell ya to sodd off.
    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...296239105?s=19

    The person you're linking to posted an update. Not sure if it was mentioned yet in this thread, though felt it was relevant to share as well, that she's choosing to believe him.

    Personally, I don't really know whether he's bring honest here or not. There's not much he logistically could say. It's better than some of the other statements at least. Regardless, it's clear there is a problem at Blizz that has been happening for a long time now.

  4. #164
    I am just glad the normal singing of the usual people that come to these threads being like "its a business" and "this is normal" are fewer than normal. Maybe the line has finally been crossed for most of them too. Don't get me wrong I suspect the worse that will happen to Blizzard is a PR hit and the need to write a big check to someone eventually but still.. this company is not moral, it is not looking out for anyone, it does not care about you or anyone else you know unless they hold large amounts of stock in the company. No reason to bow to them or defend them in much of anything. Sadly it took this absolutely terrible situation for a few eyes to be opened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    So Blizzard has always been this way? From the very beginning? And all their games were made by harassers and rapists? I feel disgusted and betrayed. Not only I can't play wow anymore, I can't even play their old games now.
    Harrasers yes, rapists no, atleast that did not happen from what we can tell, hopefully...

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    It's always about women ain't it? Even in generalized situations where both are affected (this is one of them), it's always about the women in that situation. Not that i don't feel sympathy, but this egotism must end.

    PS: Don't tell me what to talk about. Focus on yourself and don't mind me
    How was men affected in this situation? Did they also harass guys?

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by lazypeon100 View Post
    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...296239105?s=19

    The person you're linking to posted an update. Not sure if it was mentioned yet in this thread, though felt it was relevant to share as well, that she's choosing to believe him.

    Personally, I don't really know whether he's bring honest here or not. There's not much he logistically could say. It's better than some of the other statements at least. Regardless, it's clear there is a problem at Blizz that has been happening for a long time now.
    To be fair, she said he was kept in the dark about "plenty". Not everything though. Josh also said he tried repeatedly to report things and it was ignored.
    He's claiming he'll listen, but she said she emailed him and got in trouble for doing so.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    To be fair, she said he was kept in the dark about "plenty". Not everything though. Josh also said he tried repeatedly to report things and it was ignored.
    He's claiming he'll listen, but she said she emailed him and got in trouble for doing so.
    Yeah, I'm not trying to say he's innocent by any means. But I figured the update was at least worth bringing up here given what happened to her in her first set of tweets. And regardless of what he did or didn't know, it's blatantly obvious that even under his leadership he allowed a terrible culture to evolve within Blizz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    That’s interesting.

    Kinda wish he’d elaborate more and say how he knows he 100% knew.

    Or he just implying he was around for 2 decades and would had to of known?

    I can’t tell.
    As community manager it is extremely likely he has spoken with Mike about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Everybody trying to save themselves now all of a sudden by pointing fingers.
    I mean Josh of anyone is someone who doesent need to point fingers. Same with Terran and Christie, need are people who are faces and may have known, but because of their positions had little zero power to do anything, while they are "high positioned in their division" they have no power when it comes to the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    All it shows is that some people in this thread have the reading comprehension skills of a 5 year old who's eaten too much sugar.
    Well then what about dev lores response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Honestly, it could be me; I interpreted the twitter link very differently though.
    Well then please. Tell me how you interpret this. https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshhh View Post
    Anyone who worked in a huge company actually.
    You really think CEO and positions that high in companies this big know EVERYTHING that happens in their company when it's not business ?
    https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    Finally a real fucking reponse, no its not perfect, but its the first one that is not pretending it didn't happen.
    Except it's literally full of lies, have you read anything in this thread?

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    How do you even honestly say something like this with such a straight face in this kind of context?

    We have a situation that was so awful a woman literally killed herself over it, and all you can do is go "UGH, WOMEN!"? Wow.
    This seems to ber a perfect example of whats going on at this site.

    People jumping to conclusions basing facts on feelings and judging people based on accusations.


    Its like an infection running through the entire gaming world atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggressive View Post
    O damn. Shit just gets better and better. Wondering if I should get my popcorn for this shit show that Blizzard is throwing.
    You think that is it? Get ready to choke on that popcorn cause fucking. https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazypeon100 View Post
    https://twitter.com/cherthedev/statu...296239105?s=19

    The person you're linking to posted an update. Not sure if it was mentioned yet in this thread, though felt it was relevant to share as well, that she's choosing to believe him.

    Personally, I don't really know whether he's bring honest here or not. There's not much he logistically could say. It's better than some of the other statements at least. Regardless, it's clear there is a problem at Blizz that has been happening for a long time now.
    And yet.... https://twitter.com/devolore/status/...223285760?s=20

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    This seems to ber a perfect example of whats going on at this site.

    People jumping to conclusions basing facts on feelings and judging people based on accusations.


    Its like an infection running through the entire gaming world atm.
    Jumping to conclusions over a two year long investigation result? And nothing in my post there was judging anyone specifically, just stating that it's literally on record that an employee committed suicide, so to take some weird victim complex as to "WELL WHAT ABOUT MEN?!" is just disrespectful.

  14. #174
    [QUOTE=Orby;53300004]
    Cannot play Blizzard games anymore knowing that all these people I looked up to have been involved in this. The name Blizzard is tainted, their games are tainted.
    /QUOTE]

    Come one, we both know that this is BS. Nobody cares about who made a product, as long as the product is good. Apple treats the workers in their fabrics like shit, Amazon treats their workers like shit, Walt Disney was a huge antisemite... All those companies still thrive.
    Blizzard gets slack because they did not release a good game in years, rather contrary.

    This affair did not taint Blizzard games at all, Blizzard games were tainted by mediocraty for a while now, while Blizzard acted like they produced diamonds. That's why people are really mad.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Jumping to conclusions over a two year long investigation result? And nothing in my post there was judging anyone specifically, just stating that it's literally on record that an employee committed suicide, so to take some weird victim complex as to "WELL WHAT ABOUT MEN?!" is just disrespectful.
    Facts are "someone comitted suicide". The facts are not "someone comitted suicide because evil men".

    Blizzard has heavily critisized the investigation - lets see what comes of it - it sounds like it was done very shoddy. Also remember an investigation doesnt really mean anything before its been analyzed by impartials.v

    Te reason men are saying "what about men" is because this is being made into a gender issue. I believe there are toxic men. And i believe something should be done about it. But making it into a gender issue based on a few men behaving like that is nothing short of gender nazism

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Lore is a well liked guy. He probably talked to most people within Blizzard even from his devolore days. Wouldnt suprise me in the least that the talked with Mike about these things.

    If he says Mike knows, Mike knows.
    If he knows Mike knows then he should have known too. Did he out anyone during these long years ? Nope. So he doesn't know shit, he just knows he can get some clout

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    2 year long investigation, dozens of people working/worked at Blizzard pointing out that it's worse/just as bad as claimed.

    Your reaction in this thread: Yeah but what about men? Reeee fucking overreacting women


    Lmao
    Is that my reaction? Odd. Thats not what i remember typing.

    Let me just remind you that no conclusions can be based on that investigation as long as no judgement has been done by impartials. I also havent seen anyone point out when these things happened

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Except it's literally full of lies, have you read anything in this thread?
    Read my post again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Ye, the guy is like literally implying he did not know. I mean, cmon bruh.
    Read my post again.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    In what way does the investigation sound shoddy?


    No it's not lol

    Literally no one serious has said "all men are evil rapist sexual harassing tools", get that snowflake shit out of here.
    When people start talking about building all men a city and making a wall around it to keep all women safe thats what i take from it.v

    Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not happening - thats why we dont rely on anecdotal evidence mate.v

    Blizzard has already pointed out their critique points in their reply so i will just refer to that as for poitns why it was done shoddy

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Facts are "someone comitted suicide". The facts are not "someone comitted suicide because evil men".

    Blizzard has heavily critisized the investigation - lets see what comes of it - it sounds like it was done very shoddy. Also remember an investigation doesnt really mean anything before its been analyzed by impartials.v

    Te reason men are saying "what about men" is because this is being made into a gender issue. I believe there are toxic men. And i believe something should be done about it. But making it into a gender issue based on a few men behaving like that is nothing short of gender nazism
    Was it even a biological women or one of their trans hires? Would bring it back to men issues. Also matters on the seriousness since they they have a high suicide rate in general which would increase chances it was due other shit and not blizzard did it!!!

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