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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    This whole incel movement should be treated like the terrorist organisation it is.
    I find it kinda ironic that the same people who screamed not all islam for terrorist attacks turn around and scream " everyone who is anti social or suffering from depression should be treated as a terrorist "

    I would offer counseling myself as I doubt many aspire to being shunned by society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I find it kinda ironic that the same people who screamed not all islam for terrorist attacks turn around and scream " everyone who is anti social or suffering from depression should be treated as a terrorist "

    I would offer counseling myself as I doubt many aspire to being shunned by society.
    That's quite the shitty outflanking take you have there, my dude.

    Let me know when someone walks into an incel group meetup and guns people down like they did in New Zealand with a manifesto full of bigoted 4chan meme references and you might have a shred of a point.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    That's quite the shitty outflanking take you have there, my dude.

    Let me know when someone walks into an incel group meetup and guns people down like they did in New Zealand with a manifesto full of bigoted 4chan meme references and you might have a shred of a point.
    Do I have a time table for that? Given the blind hatred for what seems like a group of societal misfits I feel like eventually I get that point to use.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    blind hatred for what seems like a group of societal misfits
    Societal misfits are like, punk rockers. They're cool. A group of people who choose to be angry misogynists are just that, angry misogynists.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Societal misfits are like, punk rockers. They're cool. A group of people who choose to be angry misogynists are just that, angry misogynists.
    "blind hatred for incels" said without sarcasm in a thread about how an incel wanted to kill thousands of women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Do I have a time table for that? Given the blind hatred for what seems like a group of societal misfits I feel like eventually I get that point to use.
    Not sure if I'd describe them as "societal misfits" in a thread of a botched terrorist attack on top of their growing kill count. I don't reckon you view Americans and Europeans who flew to Syria to join ISIS in the same way, do you? I'm glad the teenage, angst-ridden male chauvinists are the ones who get the benefit of the doubt, but not the entirety of Islam.

    And yeah, you can have whatever time table you'd like for the impending terror attacks against the "beta" man-children who can't get laid. Wake me when it happens, rofl.
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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    "blind hatred for incels" said without sarcasm in a thread about how an incel wanted to kill thousands of women.
    At least Kraken is being consistent with how he usually posts, I guess.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    "blind hatred for incels" said without sarcasm in a thread about how an incel wanted to kill thousands of women.
    So we're doing the whole 1 poison M&M in the bowl thing huh?

    Guess we have to have an extinction event then since there isn't a group in existence that doesn't have its fringe extremists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    So we're doing the whole 1 poison M&M in the bowl thing huh?
    No, we're doing "an ideology fundamentally based on hating women tends to produce violent misogynists".
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    So we're doing the whole 1 poison M&M in the bowl thing huh?

    Guess we have to have an extinction event then since there isn't a group in existence that doesn't have its fringe extremists.
    Jesus Christ dude this isn't an argument that all men are bad.. if you think that is a base line position for men to think they are entitled to have women as property then my friend you make even the most vitriolic misandrist's blush.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    So we're doing the whole 1 poison M&M in the bowl thing huh?
    People aren't M&M's yo. Also, voluntary association with a group that's kinda specifically designed around hating women for now having sex with them because they held a door open that one time or bought dinner on the date isn't like, a "general group". It's much more akin to voluntarily joining a hate-group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    So we're doing the whole 1 poison M&M in the bowl thing huh?

    Guess we have to have an extinction event then since there isn't a group in existence that doesn't have its fringe extremists.
    A group that bases it's entire ideology around the idea that liberalism and feminism is keeping them from the sex they're owed by virtue of being born a male is by definition a group of fringe extremists.
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  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    Jesus Christ dude this isn't an argument that all men are bad.. if you think that is a base line position for men to think they are entitled to have women as property then my friend you make even the most vitriolic misandrist's blush.
    Please argue your hallucinations of things I've said elsewhere, no one is really interested in seeing you debate yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    People aren't M&M's yo. Also, voluntary association with a group that's kinda specifically designed around hating women for now having sex with them because they held a door open that one time or bought dinner on the date isn't like, a "general group". It's much more akin to voluntarily joining a hate-group.
    My only point was blind hatred (you know, the thing I literally quoted) of a group is stupid. Not every single incel is a mass murderer or nor even hurts anyone, not even a majority of them...rather a hyper-minority.

    We need to find ways to reach these kids...a lot of whom are on the spectrum or have other social disorders. Not just say kill them all or throw them by the wayside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    My only point was blind hatred (you know, the thing I literally quoted) of a group is stupid. Not every single incel is a mass murderer or nor even hurts anyone.
    They're all misogynists, though, or else they wouldn't identify as incels.

    So - no, I don't agree that they don't hurt anyone by creating internet cesspits where they freely traffic in misinformation and bigotry for the same reason I don't agree that neo-nazis doing the same "doesn't hurt anyone".
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    Please argue your hallucinations of things I've said elsewhere, no one is really interested in seeing you debate yourself.
    then what is your problem with what I said? unless you think incels have valid points why are you defending them? why are you making such absurd comments about going extinct to get rid of the fringe elements of society?

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    They're all misogynists, though, or else they wouldn't identify as incels.

    So - no, I don't agree that they don't hurt anyone by creating internet cesspits where they freely traffic in misinformation and bigotry for the same reason I don't agree that neo-nazis doing the same "doesn't hurt anyone".
    Fine, you have no desire to rehabilitate and would rather see them chucked off a cliff. That's ok, makes you a shit human by your own logic on par with them but it's an opinion you can have.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    My only point was blind hatred (you know, the thing I literally quoted) of a group is stupid.
    Most of the time, sure. But I think most folks would be pretty on board with "blindly hating" groups like Nazi's and violent religious extremists and whatnot.

    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    Not every single incel is a mass murderer or nor even hurts anyone, not even a majority of them...rather a hyper-minority.
    If that kind of hatred, and glorification of the "martyrs" wasn't fairly consistent within self-identified incel groups, we'd have a lot more to discuss. But like...depressingly, those folks are often seen as heroes.

    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    We need to find ways to reach these kids...a lot of whom are on the spectrum or have other social disorders.
    Sure, agreed. But it's easier said than done, and likely covers a lot more broader cultural shifts that will take time.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    then what is your problem with what I said? unless you think incels have valid points why are you defending them?
    Because they are misguided and deserve to be rehabilitated, not discarded by society so they can fester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    We need to find ways to reach these kids...a lot of whom are on the spectrum or have other social disorders. Not just say kill them all or throw them by the wayside.
    Blaming misogyny on mental health problems is super classy. /s

    Plenty of people on the spectrum or with social disorders manage to enjoy meaningful relationships. They made a voluntary decision to be obnoxious pricks towards women and are simply creating a fiction wherein they attempt to justify the inevitable rejection as something systemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    Fine, you have no desire to rehabilitate and would rather see them chucked off a cliff. That's ok, makes you a shit human by your own logic on par with them but it's an opinion you can have.
    It is not my job to come up with a non-toxic standard of masculinity for them. It's theirs.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    Because they are misguided and deserve to be rehabilitated, not discarded by society so they can fester.
    Noone "deserves" anything.

    That's sort of the problem to begin with, these people thinking they "deserve" something from others.

    I don't have much sympathy for those with access to the sum total knowledge of humankind, and decide ideologies of violence and death are a "good fit" for them because they can't get laid.
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