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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    Because they are misguided and deserve to be rehabilitated, not discarded by society so they can fester.
    I'm not sure why other's are obligated to reason with people who do not want to be reasoned with. the ones who can be reasoned with are the ones that get out of that mindset on their own.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It is not my job to come up with a non-toxic standard of masculinity for them. It's theirs.

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    I'm not sure why other's are obligated to reason with people who do not want to be reasoned with. the ones who can be reasoned with are the ones that get out of that mindset on their own.
    And these are the kinds of mentality that will see these behaviors blow up and more women getting hurt.

    Glad we can all agree that these people are the absolute worst. Hopefully we catch them all before they do something horrible. I'm sure the approach of just treating these people like criminals and not offering any help/guidance is totally the best solution, especially considering the impressionable age group most of these people are in, because you know, we don't live in a society or have any social responsibility!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuujin View Post
    And these are the kinds of mentality that will see these behaviors blow up and more women getting hurt.

    Glad we can all agree that these people are the absolute worst. Hopefully we catch them all before they do something horrible. I'm sure the approach of just treating these people like criminals and not offering any help/guidance is totally the best solution, especially considering the impressionable age group most of these people are in, because you know, we don't live in a society or have any social responsibility!
    I already said the way we treat mental health in our society is very lacking. unless you want to completely restructure the way our society works from the ground up then I'm sorry but you're pissing against the wind.

  4. #64
    Comments about killing radicalized incels are little too crazy for me, but I'm glad they stopped this guy.

    And once again...he's not even "ugly", "plain" or average at worst, which is why I don't really understand how these people even become incels...

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    unless you want to completely restructure the way our society works from the ground up
    Yes. This would be a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScipioMoroder View Post
    Comments about killing radicalized incels are little too crazy for me, but I'm glad they stopped this guy.

    And once again...he's not even "ugly", "plain" or average at worst, which is why I don't really understand how these people even become incels...
    Impossible standards, warped self-image, just plain misogyny...

    But who knows. Just guessing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuujin View Post
    And these are the kinds of mentality that will see these behaviors blow up and more women getting hurt.

    Glad we can all agree that these people are the absolute worst. Hopefully we catch them all before they do something horrible. I'm sure the approach of just treating these people like criminals and not offering any help/guidance is totally the best solution, especially considering the impressionable age group most of these people are in, because you know, we don't live in a society or have any social responsibility!
    Once again: it is not my job to come up with a non-toxic standard because it would not stick. That sort of change has to come from within.

    I'm not saying "don't offer mental health or other support services" - what I am saying is that it's very telling that of all possible demographics, we seem to need to prioritise the needs of young, white men whose chief problem is being emotionally repulsive to women when yes, we do live in a society; one that already hugely caters to them and their worldviews.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by ScipioMoroder View Post
    Comments about killing radicalized incels are little too crazy for me, but I'm glad they stopped this guy.

    And once again...he's not even "ugly", "plain" or average at worst, which is why I don't really understand how these people even become incels...
    Unrealistic expectations of reality peppered with toxic masculinity, with a side of isolation, a desire to seek acceptance in a group, and a group willing to offer acceptance and manipulate your feelings for their own evil purpose.

    Religion laid the groundwork. These groups are just imitating it for their own diabolical purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScipioMoroder View Post
    Comments about killing radicalized incels are little too crazy for me, but I'm glad they stopped this guy.

    And once again...he's not even "ugly", "plain" or average at worst, which is why I don't really understand how these people even become incels...
    As it turns out, social skills tend to help in finding a willing sexual partner. I'm sympathetic to kids who lack those skills through no fault of their own, but I doubt the ones who join online incel groups or plot mass murder turned out that way just because they couldn't muster the courage to ask their crush out.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Once again: it is not my job to come up with a non-toxic standard because it would not stick. That sort of change has to come from within.

    I'm not saying "don't offer mental health or other support services" - what I am saying is that it's very telling that of all possible demographics, we seem to need to prioritise the needs of young, white men whose chief problem is being emotionally repulsive to women when yes, we do live in a society; one that already hugely caters to them and their worldviews.
    Which is probably the source of the pathological sense of entitlement in the first place.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
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    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Societal misfits are like, punk rockers. They're cool. A group of people who choose to be angry misogynists are just that, angry misogynists.
    It's just the whole weird hive logic I see I don't get.. an emotionally crippled person who is desperate to be acknowledged has posters here calling for them as a group to be arrested and raped in jail as a earlier poster put it here.

    That same type of person in the same breath will mutter " not all muslims "

    There are times where I am honestly concerned that people simply react in the way they are told to by the media without being able to critically analyze their own responses.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    It's just the whole weird hive logic I see I don't get.. an emotionally crippled person who is desperate to be acknowledged has posters here calling for them as a group to be arrested and raped in jail as a earlier poster put it here.

    That same type of person in the same breath will mutter " not all muslims "

    There are times where I am honestly concerned that people simply react in the way they are told to by the media without being able to critically analyze their own responses.
    Literally just unironically compared all Muslims to violent Incels in an attempt to vilify posters in this thread. Are you real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    It's just the whole weird hive logic I see I don't get.. an emotionally crippled person who is desperate to be acknowledged has posters here calling for them as a group to be arrested and raped in jail as a earlier poster put it here.
    Incels are neither "emotionally crippled", nor is their issue that they're "desperate to be acknowledged". People need to stop pretending that voluntary, deliberate, intentional malice is a mental illness.

    My ex-father-in-law was a paranoid schizophrenic. I had to talk him back onto his meds one day, because his illness had convinced him that his family had all been replaced and they were working against him. He only trusted me because I was new enough some part of his brain hadn't moved me from the "Friend" category to "Family", or something. That was mental illness; he absolutely could not help it, and he was one of the best people I've ever known, despite his illness.

    Incels aren't the way they are because of mental illness. It's because they're hateful misogynists. That's a choice.

    That same type of person in the same breath will mutter " not all muslims "
    A better comparison would be a fictional idiot saying "not all Nazis".

    If you're thinking the Muslim comparison is legitimate, you're islamophobic. Plain and simple. There is nothing about Islam as a faith that contributes to violence or the like, at least any more than any other faith. Get the fuck out of here with that hatemongering BS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I'm not saying "don't offer mental health or other support services" - what I am saying is that it's very telling that of all possible demographics, we seem to need to prioritise the needs of young, white men whose chief problem is being emotionally repulsive to women when yes, we do live in a society; one that already hugely caters to them and their worldviews.
    lol no one is asking anyone to prioritize "young white men". There's incels all around the world of all races and there's probably twice as many in China and India alone compared to white majority places like the USA or Europe.
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  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Impossible standards, warped self-image, just plain misogyny...

    But who knows. Just guessing here.
    I'd say yes to all of them...in addition to severe mental illness.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Incels are neither "emotionally crippled", nor is their issue that they're "desperate to be acknowledged". People need to stop pretending that voluntary, deliberate, intentional malice is a mental illness.

    My ex-father-in-law was a paranoid schizophrenic. I had to talk him back onto his meds one day, because his illness had convinced him that his family had all been replaced and they were working against him. He only trusted me because I was new enough some part of his brain hadn't moved me from the "Friend" category to "Family", or something. That was mental illness; he absolutely could not help it, and he was one of the best people I've ever known, despite his illness.

    Incels aren't the way they are because of mental illness. It's because they're hateful misogynists. That's a choice.



    A better comparison would be a fictional idiot saying "not all Nazis".

    If you're thinking the Muslim comparison is legitimate, you're islamophobic. Plain and simple. There is nothing about Islam as a faith that contributes to violence or the like, at least any more than any other faith. Get the fuck out of here with that hatemongering BS.
    I don't believe it is a very far reach to assume that most people who violently exit society do not suffer from at the very least some form of social disability.

    The fact your incapable of seeing a simple comparison for what it is...well its mildly distressing. Unless you are being intellectually dishonest of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I don't believe it is a very far reach to assume that most people who violently exit society do not suffer from at the very least some form of social disability.
    If "violently exit society" is a weird-ass euphemism for "being killed or killing yourself", stop using weird euphemisms.

    If it isn't, it's a nonsensical phrase that has no meaning.

    And no; incels do not suffer from mental illness or disability, at least at no greater rate than the rest of the population. They're just malicious shitheads. That's not a mental illness. The mental illness angle is just an attempt to let incels evade responsibility for the shitty, shitty things they do and say.

    The fact your incapable of seeing a simple comparison for what it is...well its mildly distressing. Unless you are being intellectually dishonest of course.
    Your comparison to Muslims was just empty bigotry without a point.

    I'm fine with comparisons. "Not all incels" is roughly equivalent to "not all Nazis" or "not all white supremacists". That's the reasonable comparison.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If "violently exit society" is a weird-ass euphemism for "being killed or killing yourself", stop using weird euphemisms.

    If it isn't, it's a nonsensical phrase that has no meaning.

    And no; incels do not suffer from mental illness or disability, at least at no greater rate than the rest of the population. They're just malicious shitheads. That's not a mental illness. The mental illness angle is just an attempt to let incels evade responsibility for the shitty, shitty things they do and say.



    Your comparison to Muslims was just empty bigotry without a point.

    I'm fine with comparisons. "Not all incels" is roughly equivalent to "not all Nazis" or "not all white supremacists". That's the reasonable comparison.
    I could point out the absurd irony of your beliefs but I feel simply letting your words stand as they do works better then anything my skill would allow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I could point out the absurd irony of your beliefs but I feel simply letting your words stand as they do works better then anything my skill would allow.
    So, no actual argument, then.

    There is no irony, here. Just you playing defense for abusive bigots, for some damned reason.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScipioMoroder View Post

    And once again...he's not even "ugly", "plain" or average at worst, which is why I don't really understand how these people even become incels...
    they're not actually involuntarily celibate, they just call themselves that. i have personal experience with a ex-friend of mine in this. he was complaining about how hard it is to get laid.

    he was given an offer that only a few have declined and he declined it for the reason that she's had sex with others. what guy that claims to be unable to get laid would not take a chance to get laid? they don't want to.

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