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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by Drindorai View Post
    Ah it was 160-180, not 180+% my bad.

    But yeah this was all before any WoW content creators jumped ship over to the game.
    Asmongold started about a week (july 3rd) before that announcement (july 10th), but wouldn't have had any noticeable impact on endwalker sales at that point, the vast majority of people checking out the game because of him wouldn't have even gotten close to finishing ARR to think about buying the game, let alone pre purchasing the next expansion.

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    I found a thing really, really not good about FFXIV. The Seventh Astral Era Quests. Holy moly those quests are fucking boring. Legit have to do 100 quests to be able to get to the first expac. What the actual...
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  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    I found a thing really, really not good about FFXIV. The Seventh Astral Era Quests. Holy moly those quests are fucking boring. Legit have to do 100 quests to be able to get to the first expac. What the actual...
    Enjoy. You're dealing with a condensed version of those quests. It used to be much more painful.

    I'd strongly recommend doing a handful at a time and then taking a break to do some gathering or crafting. Otherwise there's going to be a real risk of burnout.

    There's much less needless filler in future expansions, at least.

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    I think the point on previous pages is quite literally that FF14 has a wealth of content and basically 8 years of stuff to work through. Anybody who is anybody and likes the general premise of MMOs (and FF14 is a lot like WoW in general structure than other MMOs that have been released) isn't going to get bored working through 4 entries in the series, with number 5 coming out in November. Given that big difference between the games is the narrative focus, there's absolutely no reason to rush and one of FF14s strengths is that it "time walks" the entire game (even though losing abilities is really annoying IMO) and doesn't obsolete old content to the degree that WoW does. How WoW obsoletes old content is probably the biggest disservice to the game, and while I can get behind obsoleting previous expansions, they've been doing it in the same expansion for over a decade now.

    Given the narrative focus, there's again, no need for people trying FF14 out for the first time to rush though. What happens at max level though when these people eventually reach it? There's certainly things to do in the game, but there isn't a limitless amount of things to do. Just like there's a wealth of people jumping into the game at the moment for various reasons (getting bored of WoW, scandals, upcoming FF14 expansion, big delay on WoW content, and influencers trying it out), a lot of these people are just going to jump out of it and get bored, just like they do in WoW.

    Will people getting bored of FF14 be a bad thing? No. If they enjoyed the journey until the end and liked the experience, it's possibly left a mark on them going forward. Instead of dismissing the game they might very well check out every single expansion going forward, and jump into big patch drops between the expansion, kind of like people have been doing with WoW. This isn't even a slash at FF14 either. If you're bored, stop playing and wait for the next patch. As long as those few months were fun is ultimately all that should really matter, and there have been times in the past few WoW expansions where even the first couple months of a patch aren't all that fun. I had experiences like this back when WoTLK launched, as I found the entry level WoTLK content pretty abysmal.

    There's always been a big player base in FF14, but I also don't see the game growing to exponential and massive heights either. What it's done and what WoW has done recently has shifted more players into it's play space and perhaps made people realize that other MMOs exist, or that you can play two games and enjoy them at the same time (this part is super hard for people to understand). At the end of the day hopefully it makes both games better.

    As far as my experiences with the game goes. It was alright. The combat is not as polished as other MMOs, but it's not far enough off that it's awful to play either. ARR made me hate myself, but I played it back in 2016 before they condensed most of the story, so RIP me. The story is good though, granted I didn't really start liking the story until I hit the lower 40s while leveling up. Heavensward was really good, and I stopped playing before hitting the expansion after it.

  5. #505
    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
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    I think the main thing is knowing how to discern between healthy criticism and unhealthy attachment to a game.

    For example, I dislike WoW's writing in Shadowlands, and as a player that enjoys games that I feel a narrative-connection to, it made me quit Shadowlands about a month in. I think that there's a lot that Blizzard can do to improve their writing and storylines, but I also know that not everyone is going to enjoy a game based on the same factors I value, and that I have other games to pick from to meet my needs.

    I think that there are a lot of valid criticisms that can be made on WoW's game design (and workplace-related issues) and we shouldn't build communities where offering such critics is discouraged, but I think that people should also take a step back sometimes and reflect on whether they're getting overly-invested and jaded in a company that actually owes them nothing.

  6. #506
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    I found a thing really, really not good about FFXIV. The Seventh Astral Era Quests. Holy moly those quests are fucking boring. Legit have to do 100 quests to be able to get to the first expac. What the actual...
    I sympathize. I'm finally at the home stretch before Heavensward and if I had to do it again I'd 100% buy an ARR story skip and just level to 50 through dungeons, fates, logs, and side quests.
    "People with depression score higher on tests of realism. Intelligence is positively correlated with mental illness and suicide. What this indicates is that if the mind understands too much about reality, it wants to destroy itself. Human life is existential horror."

  7. #507
    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post
    I sympathize. I'm finally at the home stretch before Heavensward and if I had to do it again I'd 100% buy an ARR story skip and just level to 50 through dungeons, fates, logs, and side quests.
    Hmm i got to level 74, am almost done with Stormblood (i guess i am; just finished Doma Castle) and the experience didn't really change since ARR.
    What gets better later on?

  8. #508
    Quote Originally Posted by Zmagoslav View Post
    What gets better later on?
    I just didn't like the story in ARR.
    "People with depression score higher on tests of realism. Intelligence is positively correlated with mental illness and suicide. What this indicates is that if the mind understands too much about reality, it wants to destroy itself. Human life is existential horror."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmagoslav View Post
    What gets better later on?
    Nothing. If you're not enjoying it now, you won't enjoy it at max level.
    Fundamental civil rights are only "political" if you're trying to take them away from people.

  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark One View Post
    Nothing. If you're not enjoying it now, you won't enjoy it at max level.
    As far as gameplay is concerned I'd agree, but as far as storytelling goes I'd disagree. ARR was just boring to me. I've already seen all of Shadowbringers and I loved it. I have high hopes for Heavensward too considering most say it's the second best expansion after ShB.
    "People with depression score higher on tests of realism. Intelligence is positively correlated with mental illness and suicide. What this indicates is that if the mind understands too much about reality, it wants to destroy itself. Human life is existential horror."

  11. #511
    Incredibly slow and boring combat, being forced to go through hours and hours and HOURS of boring main quest story. Anime artstyle and its accompanying cringe characterization. What's not to love?

    Man, I don't know. I tried it out, and what's so good about FF14 is that it made me realize how good WoW is, comparatively. Scary fucking thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I'd say that FFXIV's moderation is worse than WoW's. In WoW you can say whatever you want and you won't be penalized for it. Maybe people will yell at you, but you're playing a social game. Develop a thick skin. And in the rare chance you do get banned, it's usually only for a few days. FFXIV is worse in that if you say something innocuous and someone claims that they were offended, you could get teleported to GM jail and possibly get a warning on your account that never goes away, and three strikes and your permabanned. Hence why many of us never use the ingame chat in FFXIV to talk to anyone because it's just not worth the risk.
    For the last 2 years, i called out slackers, told people how bosses worked, kicked people from PF for low damage and also had a few fiery discussion in the in game chat. I have never seen a GM once.

    I don't know, it reminds me a bit of this trope "I don't talk to girls, because then i'll get in trouble for harassment." - Do people really not know where to draw the line? Is it impossible to communicate without being an toxic asshole?

    Well, if you can't, not using chat is maybe a better option...

    (tldr: maybe that's more of a you problem, than a general one, because i have done all this and never been in trouble)

  13. #513
    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    Successfull streamers will do what ever it takes to grow. If its game hopping, they will change games.

    The skillfull game streamers do not attract that many people to watch them.

    FFXIV right now is filler content since WoW CLASSIC as filler content for WoW streamers did not work out that well.

    I am just surprised that amazons/twitch's NEW WORLD doesnt got more WoW streamer attention, I am sure there is good money to be made with playing a few weeks the next best WoW killer game, till the hype dies.
    New World will replace FFXIV when it eventually launches later this year, atleast for some time. After that we are probably getting close to a 9.2 release in wow and maybe we know more about the next xpac. These things tend to shift, as is normal. I remember back in the "old days" with gw2, swtor, rift++ were people left wow behind "for good" only for most people to return at a later stage.

    Its really up to Blizzard now, cause people will return if they deliver. No MMORPG can hold people away from wow if Blizzard delivers quality again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Right now you have FFXIV cultists who loved the 5.0 MSQ and are shouting at the top of their lungs how great FFXIV is and ignoring the glaring flaws outside of it, and then you have an influx of newcomers who are in their honeymoon period. People will look fondly on the baseline MSQs but they will realize FFXIV had increasingly little outside of that.



    The FFXIV community is arguably worse than WoW, but that's been discussed before (the original post isn't showing up in the searchbar or on Google). I think people who actually had to deal with the FFXIV community (rather than just playing by themselves and not really getting exposed to the muck) will look back more fondly on WoW's community.



    Yeah. It will take Asmongold a few months before he finishes all of the content in the game. He'll probably stick around for a few more months levelling up other jobs, farming old raids for mounts and glamour, doing relics, trying to get a house, but eventually he's going to realize that there just isn't that much to do and that hosting fashion contests and doing PvP frontline over and over is boring. Not sure what will happen then as it's unlikely a new WoW expansion will come out within the next 12 months, so will he jump to ESO or GW2 to try them out? Or will he just spend less time playing MMOs?
    1 - Yeah, right now people are so hung up on hating wow that no one looks at FFXIVs issues. Yet.

    2 - The community is a tricky one. In FFXIV you can play most of the game(Story/leveling) without much(if any) interaction with anyone, neither good or bad. Same with ESO, a game I play now. I can slog along doing alot of stuff(even dungeons) without uttering a word with anyone and it all goes smooth. Does that make it a good/bad community? As with any online game, finding like minded people is the key, but can also be very difficult. Especially if you dont have friends to take along. Funnily enough, i've been having a great time doing m+ the last couple of weeks in wow since m+ was introduced in wow. I've stayed away from it cause it was so toxic, but decided to give it another shot. Since then I have mostly met nice people that knows what to do and are willing to have patience and communicate. Its like the toxic people vanished and nice people are left. But thats just my experience, might be a isolated one.

    3 - Asmon is a smart man and also he realised wow was in a serious all time low, while FFXIV was gaining traction. He and all his close friends now stream that game alot. It works for now and in a little over a month New World launches, hopefully(!). New World, FFXIV(less), Classic BC raids(less) & 9.2 will carry content the next year.

  14. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by Sevyvia View Post
    Incredibly slow and boring combat, being forced to go through hours and hours and HOURS of boring main quest story. Anime artstyle and its accompanying cringe characterization. What's not to love?

    Man, I don't know. I tried it out, and what's so good about FF14 is that it made me realize how good WoW is, comparatively. Scary fucking thought.
    Your post reads like a basketball fan going into a soccer match and wondering why they're not using their hands.

    You set yourself for disappointment.
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  15. #515
    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post

    Blizzard isn't trying to reinvent anything. They're stubbornly sticking with systems players have been complaining about since Legion and every expansion since seems to be worse than the last in that regard. I skipped BfA and came back for SL because it was supposed to be the alternating good expansion.

    Gods help us if they have the current writing team focus any more on storytelling. Also, raiders are grossly overestimated, most players don't raid and couldn't care less if a raid tier was lost. WoW doesn't offer much in terms of alternate progression. I suppose raiding, M+, or PvP may seem like a lot to some, but not so much to the casual player let alone soloer. Getting rid of badge gear is one of the worst decisions Blizzard ever made.
    Yes, them sticking to the same formula for years might be a problem. Most people these days dont want to or cant commit to a steady raid schedule, especially for content that is difficult.

    We just gotta remember wow at is base, aint buildt for huge storytelling focus. They might shift into that focus in 10.0, but will wow players overall accept leveling taking alot longer with heavy focus on storytelling while getting less raid bosses? Im not so sure. Personally I wouldnt mind. I do LFR & normal mode raids each patch, I dont care one bit about HC/mythic raiding at all. I cared about it once, but not anymore.

    In short though I would welcome a more streamlined max level experience. less systems to keep track of and all that. That said, im a casual scrub and I havent given the systems in SL alot of attention. I just play the game and get stuff on the way. Only thing i've focused on is doing Torghast enough to make and upgrade legendaries, rest is in the category "I dont care cause I dont need to". I can do most activities without caring about them. Thats maybe telling that Blizzard dont really need these systems, the game as a base works fine as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syferite View Post
    I think the main thing is knowing how to discern between healthy criticism and unhealthy attachment to a game.

    For example, I dislike WoW's writing in Shadowlands, and as a player that enjoys games that I feel a narrative-connection to, it made me quit Shadowlands about a month in. I think that there's a lot that Blizzard can do to improve their writing and storylines, but I also know that not everyone is going to enjoy a game based on the same factors I value, and that I have other games to pick from to meet my needs.

    I think that there are a lot of valid criticisms that can be made on WoW's game design (and workplace-related issues) and we shouldn't build communities where offering such critics is discouraged, but I think that people should also take a step back sometimes and reflect on whether they're getting overly-invested and jaded in a company that actually owes them nothing.
    imagine if people just played wow when it was fun and just decided to unsub when it wasnt. I think far to many have kept grinding on day in day out, either for addiciton or sheer habit.

    I still play wow, was planning to unsub for 9.1. But so far it warrants a sub, since I dont play all day everyday. I play every couple of night and its enough content to have fun with.

  16. #516
    No flight paths and going through three portals to get some place. Instant teleportation to aetherytes. Not having to wait months for flight, just explore the zones, get the aether currents and you can fly in the zone. All classes can be done on one character. Crafting is done with classes, and they are intricate. The crafting never is out of date. The story is incredible. The raids are never out of date. The level sync feature is amazing. Token system for end-game gearing and a few other points beneath max level, in fact.

  17. #517
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    I found a thing really, really not good about FFXIV. The Seventh Astral Era Quests. Holy moly those quests are fucking boring. Legit have to do 100 quests to be able to get to the first expac. What the actual...
    Yeah I felt the same about Lord of the Rings movies. They started out with the first movie when all I wanted was the second movie. I had to sit through hours of that shit before I got to the second movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    Your post reads like a basketball fan going into a soccer match and wondering why they're not using their hands.

    You set yourself for disappointment.
    There's a lot of that going on right now and I don't really understand it. People are so mad and hate FFXIV for not being WoW. Can't it be its own thing?

  18. #518
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    Yeah I felt the same about Lord of the Rings movies. They started out with the first movie when all I wanted was the second movie. I had to sit through hours of that shit before I got to the second movie.
    Yeah, terrible movie. I also remember when it forced me to read The Silmarillion, The Hobbit and tons of other works instead of showing 7 minute long compilation of all the relevant lore before War of the Ring.

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    Looking for Raid.
    They never found one though

  19. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    For the last 2 years, i called out slackers, told people how bosses worked, kicked people from PF for low damage and also had a few fiery discussion in the in game chat. I have never seen a GM once.

    I don't know, it reminds me a bit of this trope "I don't talk to girls, because then i'll get in trouble for harassment." - Do people really not know where to draw the line? Is it impossible to communicate without being an toxic asshole?

    Well, if you can't, not using chat is maybe a better option...

    (tldr: maybe that's more of a you problem, than a general one, because i have done all this and never been in trouble)
    It depends on your server. Are you on the European server cluster, by chance?

    We don't tend to weaponise reports over the slightest disagreement whereas on the American servers it is absolutely much more common for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    It depends on your server. Are you on the European server cluster, by chance?

    We don't tend to weaponise reports over the slightest disagreement whereas on the American servers it is absolutely much more common for some reason.
    Yes, playing on EU datacenter. That might be the reason, still i think the notion: "I don't say anything at all in fear for retaliation" seems a bit overboard, especially if telling that to new players.

    Or is it really that bad on US servers? I read love to read the "tales from DF" reddit, and tbh. the wildest stories always seem to happen on NA...

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