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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    @Gadzooks may have misinterpreted what the poster was saying, but even then the post he was reacting to was pathetic.

    'Oh they didn't speak up before but are now! What virtue signallers!' No, they were probably afraid of speaking up due to a lack of accountability and presence of retaliation/adverse consequence to speaking up. Furthermore, it's obvious that HR complaints were also being made privately.

    So yeah, whilst @Gadzooks may have overreacted, some of the insensitive bile on display in this forum at the moment is just mad.
    I didn't overreact, but I regret falling for 4chan bait, I forgot that the "not an argument' children post here, too, which is why I'm just moving on.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    In the end I'm willing to bet they won't be proven more correct now than they were during the other 10 scandals, one of which being an expansion that literally had no work done on it past 1 patch.
    As much as I hate to agree, that's exactly what will happen. Blizzard won't crumble under from this - as the company is too large and popular for this to just destroy it from within. At worst they restructure and a lot of things get delayed or cancelled, and even that is a stretch. Punishments will happen but not to the level I think people would like to see.

    The Hong Kong incident is arguably worse than this, and we saw what happened there. And like you said - WoD happened. As did BfA.

    Quote Originally Posted by World Peace View Post
    I'm not a nihilist, so I'll continue to do my part for the betterment of the world we all share.
    I assumed as much from your previous posts, just pointing something out.

  3. #303
    I haven't followed WoW as closely as I used to the last year-ish, but my initial instinct is to just assume there was always going to be a drought, they're just using this as a scapegoat. If there's one thing Blizzard has always loved, it's not working.

  4. #304
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    All it takes to kill a village is a poisoned well. I hope this opens Blizzard's eyes and they start caring about their employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I think WoW is done. Previously they had tried to time the releases of WoW patches to coincide with and smother the patch and expansions releases of their rivals (during the past few years, namely FFXIV), but now they'll have nothing to counter 6.0 Endwalker with. Perhaps not even the first few patches of FFXIV 6.X. There is also no Wrath classic anywhere in sight too (like how WoW tried to line up BC classic's release with FFXIV 5.5). And once Endwalker 6.0 comes out, FFXIV will be back to releasing a patch once every 3.5 months.

    Also doesn't help that Blizzard staff has be insulting their customers nonstop for the past few years, but this time they don't even have a product to show for it.

    Blizzard was the WoW killer.
    ok, here's one example of gamers actually being to blame for the lack of direction at blizzard.

    You say blizz was the wow killer, really? All the hordes of gamers that instead of demanding new stuff, new games spent all their energy complaining for wow classic? wow classic tbc? You guys turned blizzard into a nostalgia company that don't have to innovate anymore. They were already not doing much, retro games was teh final nail in the coffin...


    Honestly, blizzard is so bad right now, they should fire everyone who works there, except for Diablo 4 crew, those guys are like blizzard 2.0, they make content that seems in line with the old blizzard, re-hire a bunch of new people n hold the same high standards that were set for Diablo 4. It's clear they hired a bunch of fucking useless people.. mass layoffs!

    FUCK WOW CLASSIC AND FUCK ALL REMAKES OF OLD GAMES!

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    I'm just wondering, with seeing some of the most vehement boycotters/grandstanders on social media... How are they certain they are not supporting similar structures elsewhere?

    Sure, the devil you know is one you can call out and stop visiting, but this shit (and worse) extends far in the gaming industry as well as outside it. Is there some sort of website that lists completely ethical companies producing goods and entertainment?

    Just a small thought that popped into my head as I saw someone call WoW players keeping up their sub "Literal Nazis"...
    Make an effort here and there to vet the companies, organizations, governments etc. that you support. It's pretty easy to avoid products that come from places where humanitarian atrocities are being committed. It's even easier to cull domestic products and services, like in the case of a US consumer boycotting/discontinuing support for a US business.
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  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    The Hong Kong incident is arguably worse than this.
    That's relative depending on who you ask. Many players don't want any politics in their games, the whole Hong Kong affair included and regardless wether it is coming from Blizzard or in that case blitzchung.

  8. #308
    GC keeps talking about how he always messes up responding to people in a respectful way. Why in the hell was he ever in the position he was in to begin with in that case? It sounds like executive management isn't his wheelhouse.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by World Peace View Post
    Make an effort here and there to vet the companies, organizations, governments etc. that you support. It's pretty easy to avoid products that come from places where humanitarian atrocities are being committed. It's even easier to cull domestic products and services, like in the case of a US consumer boycotting/discontinuing support for a US business.
    What about the materials going into graphics cards, mobile phones etc...?

    Food production?
    Clothes production?

    I'm pretty sure that if it's in my house, I've heard a scandal surrounding the companies producing materials/the item itself at some point in time. I rarely buy new stuff in general, but even Swedish, homegrown FOOD production is rife with shitty practices.

    It never ends, so to speak. It was just a small thought, but the more I think about it, the more of a behemoth it seems to be.

    Not even the damned sugar snap peas I ordered the other week have a clean history, I learnt yesterday.

  10. #310
    "You can’t really see the people asking the questions well from the stage, and I feel terrible now seeing the look on her face. I have more experience now answering questions live"

    The guy serious with that answer? He really cant see the problem, can he?

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by NordWitcher View Post
    Why ain’t anyone asking for Bobby Kotick and executives to resign or be fired or are they all too shit scared off their jobs?
    That would require the board to move against him.
    Last edited by Voidwielder; 2021-07-27 at 12:15 AM.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    What about the materials going into graphics cards, mobile phones etc...?

    Food production?
    Clothes production?

    I'm pretty sure that if it's in my house, I've heard a scandal surrounding the companies producing materials/the item itself at some point in time. I rarely buy new stuff in general, but even Swedish, homegrown FOOD production is rife with shitty practices.

    It never ends, so to speak.
    Yeah, you can't avoid it everywhere. But there's no reason to not at least make a conscious effort here and there. If I didn't need a phone and workstation for my day job, I'd probably drop most of my tech.
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  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    That's relative depending on who you ask. Many players don't want any politics in their games, the whole Hong Kong affair included and regardless wether it is coming from Blizzard or in that case blitzchung.
    No I get the entire political standpoint. I understand the sentiment even if I don't wholly agree - but I respect it. I was talking about the incident as a whole was pretty bad, and look what happened to Blizzard. Nothing, really. Well - I'm sure they did lose customers but more keep coming in.

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarven View Post
    GC keeps talking about how he always messes up responding to people in a respectful way. Why in the hell was he ever in the position he was in to begin with in that case? It sounds like executive management isn't his wheelhouse.
    I would have to venture to guess A) He's somewhat good at what he does to keep his position and get hired elsewhere and / or B) Has friends in the right places.

  14. #314
    And oh, FF14 preachers remind me of Jehovah Witness. You are annoying in the same way.

  15. #315
    I'm 100% with the accusers. I hope this thing fucks over Blizzards upper management and forces them to get rid of people. Or better yet, forces Activision to sell them off. I feel like they've both been the plague ruining the company for years and years.

    I really think that would do wonders for the people working there and the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    ok, here's one example of gamers actually being to blame for the lack of direction at blizzard.

    You say blizz was the wow killer, really? All the hordes of gamers that instead of demanding new stuff, new games spent all their energy complaining for wow classic? wow classic tbc? You guys turned blizzard into a nostalgia company that don't have to innovate anymore. They were already not doing much, retro games was teh final nail in the coffin...


    Honestly, blizzard is so bad right now, they should fire everyone who works there, except for Diablo 4 crew, those guys are like blizzard 2.0, they make content that seems in line with the old blizzard, re-hire a bunch of new people n hold the same high standards that were set for Diablo 4. It's clear they hired a bunch of fucking useless people.. mass layoffs!

    FUCK WOW CLASSIC AND FUCK ALL REMAKES OF OLD GAMES!
    I never asked for "remakes" or "remasters" of old Blizz games. And I did criticize the nonsensical revival of the Horde vs Alliance war in Legion, for no other purpose than to milk Horde vs Alliance iconography. I've been criticizing the direction of WoW since WoD, but that's out of my hands.

    The stupidity of WoW's game design aside, it seems that there is a massive problem at Blizzard. They can't seem to manage to develop any games. Starcraft Ghosts was cancelled. Project Titan spun its wheels for years before Overwatch was salvaged from it. The rest of their projects died stillborn. Their current projects are stuck in development hell. And their remakes/remasters are being outsourced and aren't being given the time and attention they deserve. They're a multi-billion dollar games company, among the most prestigious in the world, and yet they can't make any games.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    No I get the entire political standpoint. I understand the sentiment even if I don't wholly agree - but I respect it. I was talking about the incident as a whole was pretty bad, and look what happened to Blizzard. Nothing, really. Well - I'm sure they did lose customers but more keep coming in.
    Yeah, it is true that they got out of it seemingly unscathed, primarily because they keep reporting record profits year after year. They've lost plenty of players because of it though; it just seems that the playerbase that remains simply spends enough money to offset any player loss.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    Yeah, it is true that they got out of it seemingly unscathed, primarily because they keep reporting record profits year after year. They've lost plenty of players because of it though; it just seems that the playerbase that remains simply spends enough to offset any player loss.
    Increasing prices, incentivizing spending, more customers coming in than leaving - ex-players coming back despite saying they wouldn't, etc. - I don't believe for a second that they've lost enough players that it is lower than the previous years. Stunted or reduced it overall? Sure, but not wholly.

    There are probably, right now - a huge chunk of players who don't even know this went on (Either the hong kong incident, or the current one).

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    SO STOP FUCKING GIVING THEM MONEY.
    It's hard for an addict to stop.

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    The letter was pretty well written, glad the employees are standing up against this shit.
    And that Alex guy can go fuck himself.
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