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  1. #461
    I know a lot has been said here on both sides... I probably can't add much, but I have to say, that guy could have worded that differently. I don't even really play the game anymore, not since the release of Shadowlands. I don't even want new content, I want them to stop making content so I can catch up on stuff Still totally insulting, even to me, to say customers are part of the problem. People are selfish by nature and they are detached from Blizzard's issues at hand. You almost have to expect people are going to have expectations, even if they are unreasonable. Totally unnecessary what he said.

  2. #462
    Good I hope it does die, scumbag of a company thinking its untouchable. Sylvanas has set us all FREE from the "Jailer"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rootsbum View Post
    Oh wow, so unnecessary to blame customers for making comments about more delays.
    What a dick.

    I agree with him, but thats a really horrible way to send a message. Could have chosen so many other ways to phrase it and still be the better man
    He is actually sort of right about some customers being part of the problem. There are so many people here saying shit like "You aren't entitled to anything!" or "It is their game, you are only paying for access and consider it a privilege!" and so on. Is there any wonder why game companies and developers are so outrageous? They have no sense of responsibility towards customers, no sense of accountability, why do you think they turn out to be rapists? Moronic people enabled them.
    Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos was the game that brought me into gaming. I was 17 years old then, I abhorred gaming before this game. From then on, I became a fan of Warcraft and Blizzard. To see it all go down the drain like this is truly sad for me. No king rules forever but at least some of them went down in history as real badasses. I hoped Blizzard and Warcraft would be one of them but it is no longer possible.

  4. #464
    I agree with the employees as refusing to do the job sometimes is the only way to make upper management listen. Because it's this, Blizzard didn't suddendly decided to stop WoW developement, it's devs that are just outright in strike and as palyers should vote with their wallet, they're hitting the management where it hurts, the profit potentials.

    And i also agree woth the fact ot' not a players' problem. Blizzard is responsible of delivering a service worth the money we pay, and if you're not able to we shouldn't have to pay for it. I don't ask for meny back, but i see just fitting to pause active subs until this shitstorm clears up.

    Anyway i'm pretty sure Blizzard is using the lawsuit as an excuse for SL basically costantly behind on schedule and again underpar. They're gonna cut it short 100%. I'm also worried about how the hell they're gonna reciver from this - i don't want another Legion that had way more nasty longterm repercussions than the quality of the xpack itself.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

  5. #465
    Quote Originally Posted by BDu View Post
    Alex Klontzas , we care more about the content of the game than your internal problems which , you caused yourselves , not the players . How about if people stop paying your lazy asses by unsubscribing until you release some decent content ?
    Go ahead. Unsubscribe.

  6. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    Someone used a restaurant as an example earlier, but WoW is more like a buffet. You pay for the ability to eat their food, not specifically for them to add some new furniture or a diversify their menu.
    Sure, but if you turned up and paid your money, only to realise it's the same stale leftovers from the last time you were there, you would be displeased, would not recommend it to anyone, and would never pay again.

    What would make the situation worse? The restaurant publicly saying "yeah, well we had a staff member lay a harassment claim, so there won't be any fresh food for a while - so just shut up, and keep paying your money for this stale old food, and if you expect any fresh, new food, it's YOUR fault we sexually harassed our staff".
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    Any sane person would see your a moron.
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    you have to be a moron to of said .

  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Sentynel View Post
    Is it so otherwordly to think that I and millions of others who don't give a flying fuck about this internal company issue expect some form of service for our money? I am not giving them $15 a month so that they can jerk off and cry on Twitter while freezing production.
    I mean you're totally right. This entire mess should not impact paying customers, in any way.
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  8. #468
    Holy crap, the amount of people going "But muh money" is disgusting. Just unsubscribe FFS. Insane entitlement issues. Get out, go see the world, try new things. You aren't their boss and never will. A big part of the team is probably thinking of quitting anyways with all that happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalarm View Post
    Holy crap, the amount of people going "But muh money" is disgusting. Just unsubscribe FFS. Insane entitlement issues. Get out, go see the world, try new things. You aren't their boss and never will. A big part of the team is probably thinking of quitting anyways with all that happened.
    lol insane entitlement issues for customers that paid for a service expecting something for their money? How very strange these gamers are! everywhere else nobody expects value for their monies! blizz gamers are soooo weird...

  10. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalarm View Post
    Holy crap, the amount of people going "But muh money" is disgusting. Just unsubscribe FFS. Insane entitlement issues. Get out, go see the world, try new things. You aren't their boss and never will. A big part of the team is probably thinking of quitting anyways with all that happened.
    It’s also interesting to note, that it’s likely how these people would react if anyone at a company they’re a customer of ever went on strike. ‘I don’t care about equal pay goddammit, I want muh hot pockets!’

  11. #471
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalarm View Post
    Holy crap, the amount of people going "But muh money" is disgusting. Just unsubscribe FFS. Insane entitlement issues. Get out, go see the world, try new things. You aren't their boss and never will. A big part of the team is probably thinking of quitting anyways with all that happened.
    They were absolutely free to quit all along. The whole allegation/case pretty much outlines how internally public this whole thing was all along,... being outraged now that it was made public also externally just makes them seem like hypocrites.

    And let's not pretend finding a new job as a halfway-good developer is difficult... With home-office being the norm "pitching" to other companies is far less problematic.

    With all paid vacation days companies are giving us the last few years, I for instance, could give my 2 month's notice right now, use my vacation days at the current company and literally start working at another company the day after... (if i wanted to be a c*nt about it, that is)


    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    It’s also interesting to note, that it’s likely how these people would react if anyone at a company they’re a customer of ever went on strike. ‘I don’t care about equal pay goddammit, I want muh hot pockets!’
    Some would argue it's exactly this kind of customers that provide some leverage to the strike... but hey.

  12. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyiana View Post
    they aren't blaming you for company culture. they are saying part of the "problem" as a different issue, meaning that people demanding they work, in spite of a horrific event, are causing them significant distress. this isn't complicated. take a single second. i also want SL content. i also want 9.2. i want these people to be in a decent state of mind when they make it, not reeling from a total company-breaking moment. holy heck.
    i hole heartedly agree with this, people need to chill out and if they are unhappy with the wait the unsub button is this way ----> so some decency

  13. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by Zmagoslav View Post
    They were absolutely free to quit all along. The whole allegation/case pretty much outlines how internally public this whole thing was all along,... being outraged now that it was made public also externally just makes them seem like hypocrites.

    And let's not pretend finding a new job as a halfway-good developer is difficult... With home-office being the norm "pitching" to other companies is far less problematic.

    With all paid vacation days companies are giving us the last few years, I for instance, could give my 2 month's notice right now, use my vacation days at the current company and literally start working at another company the day after... (if i wanted to be a c*nt about it, that is)



    Some would argue it's exactly this kind of customers that provide some leverage to the strike... but hey.
    I disagree on the first bit. When you get asked, ‘why did you leave Blizzard?’ and if your intended answer is ‘toxic workplace’ recruiters would’ve immediately reached out to old managers to corroborate. Now, if someone says that, it’s taken more seriously. Before it would just be ‘disgruntled ex-employee’. So no. It would have been very hard.

  14. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    i hole heartedly agree with this, people need to chill out and if they are unhappy with the wait the unsub button is this way ----> so some decency
    People who complain about lack of content at a time like this lack the empathy to know what decency is or care about anything but what they are paying for, trashy self entitled cunt humans exist.

    Only thing you can do is pretend they dont exist by ignoring their squeals of entitlement, giving them any kind of attention will only make them squeal louder.

    That said .. its fucking funny to sit back and watch them squeal and throw a tantrum because they cant get what they want.
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  15. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    lol insane entitlement issues for customers that paid for a service expecting something for their money? How very strange these gamers are! everywhere else nobody expects value for their monies! blizz gamers are soooo weird...
    Does the game run? Are the servers up? Are your characters there? Then you got the service you paid for. Frequent updates aren't part of the contract, it's up to you to measure the value of those against your subscription, but you aren't owed anything in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrintoSFJ View Post
    A whoreson who is shirking responsibility and deflecting it to others to make himself look cool on the internet. If I were to find him in person, I would have bashed his head on a wall until his brain flushed out. He has been in leadership position for years and now acting like the allegations have nothing to do with him. Go figure what kind of trash he is.
    And here you are proving him right.

  17. #477
    No, actually we should complain if there is a delay. But not about the devs, we should complain about the management. If a company is so abhorrent on the inside that they can no longer properly work, and no manager feels like fixing it, then a complaint about that management is actually required.

  18. #478
    Quote Originally Posted by Addiena View Post
    People who complain about lack of content at a time like this lack the empathy to know what decency is or care about anything but what they are paying for, trashy self entitled cunt humans exist.

    Only thing you can do is pretend they dont exist by ignoring their squeals of entitlement, giving them any kind of attention will only make them squeal louder.

    That said .. its fucking funny to sit back and watch them squeal and throw a tantrum because they cant get what they want.
    agreed it is fun, to saying that i wish blizz would stop trying to suck the fun out of their own game...seems they need more time with that

  19. #479
    Alex Klontzas on Upcoming Content Delay ??

    NO reason for any delays to happen - getting his excuses ready, already eh

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    I'm sorry but what? Alex Klontzas can go suck a fuck.

    How the fuck am I part of the problem? I don't know shit about what happened/is happening at Blizzard, other than what's been told here obviously. It's none of my business and they should have sorted it out privately years ago especially since they are all about equality and being progressive.

    And before someone starts, I'm not in any way condoning what happened. I'm saying that the paying customer is in no way "a part of the problem" at fucking all.

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