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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    I do actually, there's literally TV-documentary made of what my girlfriend, me and our collective have accomplished. We've been targeted by neo-nazis and other lowlives for fucking years. I do plenty, every single day.
    Hahaha. Can you link it? I'd love to get to know the real Tooshie

  2. #602
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Could you share a link? Happy for a PM if you don't want it out here.
    Yeah, can PM sec.

  3. #603
    Quote Originally Posted by Chriisto View Post
    That is absolutely the implication though my dude and the way many, many people are interpreting it. I'm sure Blizz are very impressed with you for defending them though.
    No it isn't m,y due. That is what yo are putting there so you can rip him. Ther can't be implication when you and others are the ones who are trying to put it there. You putting words in his mouth does not = he said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamurello View Post
    OMG yawn already, everyone involved has buggered off from the company already, sick of all this wokist crap

    important thing is outlaw rogues need a buff
    Only the ones actually named. There may be more than the named . We don't know.

  4. #604
    Quote Originally Posted by BrintoSFJ View Post



    I am angry and my post perfectly implies that. Only a complete lunatic would think that I am sick and mentally unwell.
    There is being angry and then there is threatening to bash someone's head in "until their brains flush out", which is what you did. you literally said "if i saw him i would bash his brains in." Thinking that is normal makes you truly sick and unwell. Get help. Talk to a therapist. Thinking about bashing someone's brains in because of something like this is not rational, normal behavior. You are one sick puppy, and i imagine not one person in this thread would support what you said. but looking at your profile, where you even lash out against mods signifies you are a lonely, bitter person. Get help
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  5. #605
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    I like how that absolute c*nt Alex Klontzas (who?) shit talks the consumers/players with typical male feminist talking points of "hur dur we aren't doing our job but you're the problem." I also looooove how his tweets are protected, like an absolute fucking coward. Fun Fact: You average wow player doesn't care about Blizz's shitty work place culture. And this isn't NEW. First patch launched BROKEN AND INCOMPLETE. Flying was not ready at end of patch. Multiple fixes had to be deployed. It took SIX months to get out the next patch. You have "devs" (loser nobodies who are nothing more than 9 to 5er's) shit talking famous streamers like Asmongold to fucking degenerate FURRIES with pronouns in their bios causing hundreds of thousands of players to migrate to FFXIV. This is probably great for Blizz/Activision since they can now delay the patch for as long as they want, claiming their stupid legal problems are in some way related to them paying staff to make content.

  6. #606
    Pronouns in bio forcing people to mass migrate to FFXIV, that's a fresh angle chief. Not gonna lie.

  7. #607
    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    Pronouns in bio forcing people to mass migrate to FFXIV, that's a fresh angle chief. Not gonna lie.
    Welcome to the weird right wing gamer echo chamber on the internet. Everything is outrage 24/7.

  8. #608
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    No it isn't m,y due. That is what yo are putting there so you can rip him. Ther can't be implication when you and others are the ones who are trying to put it there. You putting words in his mouth does not = he said it
    Except you're the one putting words in his mouth. Or at least one word. As evidenced here.
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    You can be both, but those screaming and harrassing Blizzard employees no social media obviously aren't. The only care about "muh content". And again you are misrepresenting his words. He said you are a shitty person if you ONLY care about the game and not what is going on. But why actually read what he said when you can make it up yourself to fuel more outrage?
    The word "only" does not appear in his tweet. And it won't magically retroactively appear in it even if you write it in caps. Unless in your mind the sentence "If your reaction to stuff at Blizzard is to complain about delay you're a part of the problem" and "If your only reaction to stuff at Blizzard is to complain about delay you're a part of the problem" mean the same thing. But at that point the word "only" ceases to have any meaning and becomes redundant fluff.

    But since that word does have its own meaning, these are actually two different sentences. And the one Klontzas actually said includes situations where that is just one of multiple reactions a person may have towards this incident. Which you yourself admitted is perfectly possible in that very same post.

    Which makes his tweet a shitty attempt at silencing criticism. Criticism that, again, is not mutually exclusive with feeling for the people wronged by Blizzard. What makes it even shittier is that Klontzas isn't just some random corporate drone #534. He's a senior game producer on the WoW team. Combine that with how open some of the bullshit at Blizzard was, like the "events" where a bunch of drunk twats crawled around the office cubicles, groping women on their way and it's incredibly unlikely that he'd be unaware of at least some of that. When even a CM like Lore knew (and knew that the CEO knew). Meaning that likely contributed to the issue in a real way, yet now has the gall to accuse some in the playerbase of being a part of the problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    Yeah 1:30 mark was enough for me. Jesus christ.

    "I haven't read about it but obviously a feminist attack". Go fuck yourself, seriously these Peterson dickriding incels can go fuck themselves so hard.

    Siri, show me what a lifetime of getting rejected by women does to you.
    I'm pretty sure the guy in the blue shirt is Sargon of Akkad, so it's a surprise it took him this long to say something like that. Not sure who the other guy is, but his voice sounds familiar.
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

  9. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by hydrium View Post
    The old guard were gamers and creators, they made games with passion.

    The people in charge right now are marketing and finance, they don't care about gameplay. They care about metrics and engagement, doing whatever they can do to entice idiots to part with their money, I.E anyone who has spent money outside of paying their sub.
    Having grown up on tabletop RPGs, early MMOs and RPG games in general, it is no wonder they managed to create the Warcraft universe. The creative influence of other franchises is deeply embedded into the Warcraft universe.

  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by Keristrasza View Post
    So you are trying to say that any "paying customer" That has sent death threats, to any number of employees in the last few weeks/months are not part of a problem? How many had been sent to Golden alone because they were pissy over a story arc? To the devs because of a delay? Yes, they are. Those who are merely stating their disapproval are one thing and but don't dare try to pretend there isn't a segment of the community that hasn't sent a number of threats because that is a bald-faced lie.

    The wow community has some of the most venomously spiteful, and hateful people I have ever had the displeasure of meeting, and most of them live on MMO Champ. If anyone even thinks of a second that the shit going down at Blizzard isn't going to cause a delay they have another thing coming. Distress affects creativity, and workflow. With a last checked number of 4700 people working at blizzard alone (unknown how old or correct that data still is.) It's insane to assume even a large fraction of them even KNEW what was going on. So the news would likely have been quite a shock to most as much as it was paying customers.

    but instead of trying to have even a fraction of understanding and compassion for them as they try and deal with this, a group of people throw a damned tantrum over it. No matter who is or isn't guilty, no matter how many of them, men or women have lied during this investigation there is still a larger number of innocent people who deserve respect. Because they are humans too and not machines. They have emotions and feelings, and god forbid that effect someone else's fun because they pay $15 a month, amirite? People and their mental/physical health will always be more important than a game. Period.
    Yes, I am saying that nothing these naughty fans have done over the last few weeks caused a systemic culture of sexual harassment, rape, and abuse to exist within Blizzard for well over a decade.

    Anyone sending death threats to a game dev is an idiot. But it has NOTHING to do with the disgusting culture and behaviour multiple blizzard high ups are accused of, and supported by over 1,000 staff. These two things are entirely unrelated.

    All that aside, it is this idiotic, disgusting response that is the biggest immediate concern - the allegations may be proven, some may not. But this is completely unacceptable, and the dev in question should have been shown the door already. To be a part of a disturbing culture for years, and then when you are caught, immediately turn on your paying customers and fans and literally blame them for your own behaviour? Totally unacceptable and pathetic.
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    Any sane person would see your a moron.
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    you have to be a moron to of said .

  11. #611
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Welcome to the internet. Everything is outrage 24/7.
    FTFY

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  12. #612
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    Sorry for Alex Klontzas, but I genuinely worry about 9.2 being delayed.

    The rest is simply out of my reach and it is human nature to care about your own interests. Either way, it is my opinion, so just as valid as his or any other.

  13. #613
    Quote Originally Posted by yshdmt View Post
    WHO CARES. You haven't even posted about TBC Phase 2. Stop posting about this drama.
    This "drama" means no content.

    Its horrible that this went on for so long and got so bad. Maybe if they had dealt with it as a company and weren't scum bags, they wouldn't be having to deal with this. Things are often acceptable at one time, but not at another. Its called Context for a reason. I'd be surprised if they can even manage to get this expansion finished, let alone release anything else.

    Seems like at this point, the entire company needs to go under or be rebuilt. Given these claims, on top of the horrible pay for the area and the poor treatment in general they have been accused of having towards their employees, its clear they don't deserve to continue to make games.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    Also about the video, she simply asked a silly question. Specially at that time, there was no such a thing as "sexualizing" wow characters... literally no female was made "sexy", they were, at best.. quite average. So, obviously her question was totally out of tone and out of he blue, they replied with a funny joke. Simple, move on and don´t give it more importance than it had... Not the best reply? sure thing, but a perfectly legit one given the absurd question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    This "drama" means no content.

    Its horrible that this went on for so long and got so bad. Maybe if they had dealt with it as a company and weren't scum bags, they wouldn't be having to deal with this. Things are often acceptable at one time, but not at another. Its called Context for a reason. I'd be surprised if they can even manage to get this expansion finished, let alone release anything else.

    Seems like at this point, the entire company needs to go under or be rebuilt. Given these claims, on top of the horrible pay for the area and the poor treatment in general they have been accused of having towards their employees, its clear they don't deserve to continue to make games.
    Don´t think it is half as bad as the media and people are painting it now... Most people working there had no idea about this.

  15. #615
    Hah Alex Klontzas made his Twitter account private and you cannot access his tweet anymore. Looks like the customers took his comment very well.

  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarez View Post
    Hah Alex Klontzas made his Twitter account private and you cannot access his tweet anymore. Looks like the customers took his comment very well.
    considering insults in here have included focusing on his physical appearance, like being bald, and one user threatening to "bash his head into a wall until his brains flushed out" he probably had other encounters, focusing on everything but the issues, making him realize the fans base is littered with toxic man children. i get being upset, but i don't get childish insults and threats of ultra-violence.
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  17. #617
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Yes, I am saying that nothing these naughty fans have done over the last few weeks caused a systemic culture of sexual harassment, rape, and abuse to exist within Blizzard for well over a decade.

    Anyone sending death threats to a game dev is an idiot. But it has NOTHING to do with the disgusting culture and behaviour multiple blizzard high ups are accused of, and supported by over 1,000 staff. These two things are entirely unrelated.

    All that aside, it is this idiotic, disgusting response that is the biggest immediate concern - the allegations may be proven, some may not. But this is completely unacceptable, and the dev in question should have been shown the door already. To be a part of a disturbing culture for years, and then when you are caught, immediately turn on your paying customers and fans and literally blame them for your own behaviour? Totally unacceptable and pathetic.
    The fact that you can keep trying to explain this is truly commendable, but it is pointless. For every time you point this out, someone is going to come in with a strawman arguement and question wether you're condoning sexual harassment, rape, suicide, bad working conditions or simply don't care about human lives.

  18. #618
    Quote Originally Posted by Explosivo View Post
    considering insults in here have included focusing on his physical appearance, like being bald, and one user threatening to "bash his head into a wall until his brains flushed out" he probably had other encounters, focusing on everything but the issues, making him realize the fans base is littered with toxic man children. i get being upset, but i don't get childish insults and threats of ultra-violence.
    How detached from reality do you need to be to expect anything else?
    How detached from reality do you also need to be to write such a tweet anyway, blaming your customer base for your internal issues? I sometimes think Blizzard forgets we're actually paying money to play their game.

    It's fine for me if they want to make a freeze. I'll just also freeze my sub.

    I hope they survive this though. Would be a shame to see them go. But if they're all mysoginistic fucks and unable to make a change, they can burn for all I care

  19. #619
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    The fact that you can keep trying to explain this is truly commendable, but it is pointless. For every time you point this out, someone is going to come in with a strawman arguement and question wether you're condoning sexual harassment, rape, suicide, bad working conditions or simply don't care about human lives.
    What I see are some terribly addicted individuals trying desperately to justify their continued support of a company that treats their own colleges like this, and then treat their fans and paying customers in such a disgusting way. I have literally seen people saying they will continue to pay their sub even without any content, purely to "support" the victims and ensure they get paid. This is idiotic, they will be getting paid in the short term one way or the other.

    Like I have said though, if people are happy with state of the game and want to continue paying and playing, I have no issue with that - im not here to tell anyone what they should do with their own money. But please dont make idiotic claims about "supporting the victims" by paying your sub - there is no reality where this is helping them at all.
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    Any sane person would see your a moron.
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    you have to be a moron to of said .

  20. #620
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    What I see are some terribly addicted individuals trying desperately to justify their continued support of a company that treats their own colleges like this, and then treat their fans and paying customers in such a disgusting way. I have literally seen people saying they will continue to pay their sub even without any content, purely to "support" the victims and ensure they get paid. This is idiotic, they will be getting paid in the short term one way or the other.

    Like I have said though, if people are happy with state of the game and want to continue paying and playing, I have no issue with that - im not here to tell anyone what they should do with their own money. But please dont make idiotic claims about "supporting the victims" by paying your sub - there is no reality where this is helping them at all.
    I would go as far as to say that this is a matter beyond chosing to support Blizzard or not; it is a matter of people having no sense of self-respect, going so far as to accept an employee of Blizzard telling them that players are part of the problem. These players would rather blame another player, who is there for the game, than the dev of a company that harbored this culture, simply because the dev has got a facade of empathy, shock and grief going on Twitter. Wether someone choses to give their money to Blizzard or not is, as you've already written multiple times, an individual choice.

    The fact that a Blizzard dev gets a green pass for daring to even insinuate that Blizzard's playerbase is part of the problem is beyond astounding. In fact, any single one of us is completely free and entitled to saying that we're here for the games, not issues of sexual harassment, without having to see a barrage of insulting classifications being flung about; we're also entitled to say that it doesn't concern us in the least bit and that the state of the game concerns us the most, which most of us won't say in the first place, but that is beyond the point.

    Players aren't allowed to express their own concerns without being called egregious things by other players, who are taking the liberty to classify others into offender and criminal groups at a whim. This same standard doesn't apply for a Blizzard dev however, who is allowed to deflect from a culture he was a silent observer in, at the very least.

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