Blizzard Employee Letter to Leadership, Other Responses to Lawsuit

[Tsarez]

This is all a load of BS and you continue to misrepresent his words. What he said was that anyone who whines to the developers about content and thinks that is more important than those that have been hurt, you are part of the problem. What you fail to understand is that those that have been hurt are wroking on content. You are basically telling those people "I don't care that you were hurt,get back to making muh content". that is down right insulting and insensitive. But you only care about yourself. Go figure.

Lol how hypocritical of you. Totally not misinterpreting what I said. I don't care about content more than their wellbeing. But I guess you feel like you want to continue being toxic.

Or maybe you don't know that his tweet followed a statement that said basically all work on wow has been halted, and that he's jumping at the throats of those who think that maybe, just maybe, we're paying the full price for not "the full product".

I wouldn't even address this at the developers but directly at blizzard. It's their fault that devs had to stop working because working conditions seem to be so abhorrent. Then why is there an expectation to continue to pay them?

What about yourself? Have you quit your sub already or is your simpathy only going so far?

[DingDongKing]

Lol how hypocritical of you. Totally not misinterpreting what I said. I don't care about content more than their wellbeing. But I guess you feel like you want to continue being toxic.

Or maybe you don't know that his tweet followed a statement that said basically all work on wow has been halted, and that he's jumping at the throats of those who think that maybe, just maybe, we're paying the full price for not "the full product".

I wouldn't even address this at the developers but directly at blizzard. It's their fault that devs had to stop working because working conditions seem to be so abhorrent. Then why is there an expectation to continue to pay them?

What about yourself? Have you quit your sub already or is your simpathy only going so far?

Why is there an expectation to pay whom?

[Raysz]

That's a terrible logic that I see people around here spreading to try to defend their sunk cost fallacy.

With that logic anyone that ever bought an Iphone or clothes in the West should just stop trying to be better and demand better services, as we already used products that came from child labor. Can you imagine what kind of society we would get?

"Oh I already supported this terrible thing! In order to not look like a hypocrite Ill just support ALL terrible things!"

Why stop trying? If you're so adamant about social justice, follow through. I know, it's difficult, you like your products that are made in third world countries, very inconvenient to fault that. You don't care about the working conditions there, obviously. The society we would have is one where we focus less on consumerism and more on well-being.

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Sorry, but all the things you've mentioned don't change world injustice, not even a little bit. And you are perfectly aware of that, aren't you? So much for not being a hypocrite. The solution to the problems of the world isn't about "living like an Amish", as someone said earlier, but actively trying to improve other people's lives, e.g. harassed women at Blizzard. I can't do a great deal for people being brutally exploited in sweatshops in Bangla Desh or some other random third world country, unfortunately. And no, you don't buying those clothes doesn't change their crappy situation in the slightest, so it's perhaps time to do something different.

It does though, bit surprised you're not getting that. It's all about consuming less and paying and valueing a product more. You can't do a great deal, but a lot of people can.

[Tsarez]

Why is there an expectation to pay whom?

Yes exactly

[DingDongKing]

Yes exactly

No I’m asking. Who did you refer to?

[Tsarez]

No I’m asking. Who did you refer to?

Might have misworded that on a second read. My point is that there can't be any expectations to pay for the sub if they quit internal work on the game temporarily. Just as a general statement. Likewise, if one chooses to continue to pay to play the game regardless, their concerns about lack or delay of content due to the circumstances do not equal misogyny.

But I'm probably not allowed to be understanding of all sides. Gotta pick a side and cheer for only one team I guess.

[DingDongKing]

Might have misworded that on a second read. My point is that there can't be any expectations to pay for the sub if they quit internal work on the game temporarily. Just as a general statement. Likewise, if one chooses to continue to pay to play the game regardless, their concerns about lack or delay of content due to the circumstances do not equal misogyny.

But I'm probably not allowed to be understanding of all sides. Gotta pick a side and cheer for only one team I guess.

1. I think it’s unrealistic to expect players to be totally fine with no work being done on the game during this period.

2. That said, I think it’s wrong to blame the developers at floor level at that point. Management should grow a bone and freeze subs.

3. It’s understandable if players are frustrated at what’s happening regarding stalled development, but they should be smarter and realise the developers who are struggling to work through this time aren’t doing it for a giggle. There’s serious issues at the company. Being angry at floor level or even mid level devs is like being angry at employees on strike due to poor working conditions. The real culprits are up top.

[Marrilaife]

I knew what strange people post here in these forums. But after reading the comment section I'm shocked.
An explanation would be that most people here are insecure teenage boys who prbly don't had much contact to females and if they did got rejected. This is ofc just a guess but I have no explanation for stuff like this. Incredible... I'm so glad I've reduced my in-game social contact to a bare minimum

From my experience the gaming community has small % of creeps but big % of enablers and silent approvers which makes creeps thrive and look like there's more of them than there really is. It's not even about the harassment / creeping (fairly rare) it's about how the community perceives it as "no big deal" (extremely common).

It's the same as with toxic people, rude people, people using slurs and hate speech - if the community perceives it as "no big deal" it becomes normalized. And people who protest against it become stigmatized ("oversensitive babies", "soyboys", "pussys", "entitled generation", "offended SJW" etc. etc.) so the "approved" reaction is to stay silent. And then people go "why nobody spoke up?"

There was a fantasy/SF author I enjoyed, until it came out about her and her husband being involved in some horrific stuff (he ended up in prison for child molestation, where he died.) When I heard about that, her books went in the recycling bin -- I didn't want anyone else to be exposed to them at a used book store.

Not the first time, not the last. 1-2 years ago there was another scandal with sexual harassment where some people from the movie industry (including one of the actors from the Expanse tv show) and some writers (including the son of the woman who created Outlander series) were exposed to be involved in inappropriate conduct. Oh, and the head of French publishing house for SFF was a harasser too. Not mentioning the story of Ubisoft leadership.

People who either have power, or are put on a pedestal (like actors or writers) without being held accountable if they misbehave, start believing they can do anything without any backlash and while 9 out of 10 won't abuse this privilege, a small portion will.

[Magnagarde]

And I bet Alex Klontzas and his team are extremely happy with the timing of this lawsuit. He basically went on Twitter to blame everything on this lawsuit. He also implied that the next patch will be just as bad and it won't be coming anytime soon because "muh human decency and respect". This was a convenient scapegoat for his failures.

I can see that you too already know what/whom they're going to blame... for delivering another underperforming update to the game.

"We couldn't make it better because we were busy getting paid for walking out of the office. We walked out to stand in solidarity with our colleagues whom we've witnessed being harassed for a decade. If you don't understand this, you're part of the problem!"

Then they're going to release the next 6-month subscription package with a new mount.