Elune has no control over the Horde. We already know who orchestrated the Fourth War and for what purpose.
She only admits to sending the souls of those lost in the Burning of Teldrassil to Ardenweald.
Elune has no control over the Horde. We already know who orchestrated the Fourth War and for what purpose.
She only admits to sending the souls of those lost in the Burning of Teldrassil to Ardenweald.
I think Danuser really likes those "moral tips" to the community.
"Vegeance is never the right choice"
"Power to the people. Do not worship gods that don't care for you"
And so on. *rolleyes*
What he does not understand is, that people like to dive into fantasy worlds to ESCAPE our world. I personally do not belienve in god in real life, but I love lore around old gods or fantasy world gods and so on.
Just to talk about the wisp aspect of things: I'm 99% certain that they put this in an off-hand comment in one of the new books that was released, where they talk about how wisps are sort of Soulshapes of the NE souls. Regardless, I think it's insanely dumb that there's so much lore that 'explains' what is going on, how things work, and helps makes sense of things being OUTSIDE the bloody game. Outside books and media should be supplementary to the story, not needed for important plot points, motivations, and mechanics.
Still doesn't fix the general issues of the new cinematic, as there's contradictions and contrivances everywhere.
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“Society is endangered not by the great profligacy of a few, but by the laxity of morals amongst all.”
“It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville
I think it's a tad unfair there, it's not like Elune knew what actually is going on, so trying to funnel some souls to help out her sister was a reasonable plan.
Given that Winter Queen is Elune's sister and she's hardly omnipotent given the blunders, it is fair to assume that neither Elune is some sort of know all see all absolute deity.
My only issue is why Tyrande chose renewal option, what is the reason for sudden 180 degrees turn there?
It would also be interesting to know what Night Elves would do with this knowledge that their goddess is not beneath sacrificing them for her own goals. Now of course I expect a lot of Night Elves be goodie two shoes little worshipper sheep about the thing - god giveth and taketh kind on thing, Elune did nothing wrong.
But I do hope that some will start breaking away which can be turned into story and tension of its own, even if not main theme.
well, read what i reacted to and you might get what i meant... its better than just take one sentance from whole conversation and ask...
1. why should they skip that step? Elune didnt claim them for herself and let them be sorted as she believed they would be chosen for ardenweald (at least most of them)
2. and they did it bcs they have LACK of souls so they couldnt use tiny part of each but had to use whole souls... which btw, elune might not even know...
3. she gave her choice to avenge her people OR help them renew... it was pretty clear to me, im not sure what you dont get there...
The problem I have with this is first:
They are making revenge out to be a bad thing. It's really annoying because this is a story about war. I really hate that path Blizz has chosen.
Secondly, there's no saving the Night Elves. They can save them from the Maw yes, but they will still be stuck in the Shadowlands. So that ship sailed 4 years ago.
I actually don't really mind if Elune isn't all powerful... But I'd rather them be wisps in Azeroth than being stuck in the Shadowlands to live their "new lives".
Neither the Legion nor Azshara were absolved of their sin after the War of the Ancients, even though Elune didn't stop tenthousands of Nightelves dying back then either. I really don't know why people always want gods to interfere with everything and play babysitter for the decisions of mortals.
Back then, it was Azshara's fault those Nightelves died (plus her followers), this time it's Sylvanas's fault those Nightelves died (plus her followers). It's not Elune's fault that people never learn.
Because in a land of renewal, death is not the end. But if that land were to die, it would certainly be. Elune is a goddess concerned with the long-term health of her people. She let them die to fuel Ardenweald, where they would live peaceful afterlives and allow her loa to continue to be reborn to aid her still living people.
The fact that Elune did not intervene does not put her at fault for starting the war in the first place. She simply saw it as an opportunity after hearing the Winter Queen's cry for help.
I have an expansion idea with this from Elune. The expansion begins with Elune asking us for help to save her from problem X. The Kaldorei tell her no and then it is a whole expansion about rebuilding her home.
At the same time the Orcs and Tauren do the same with the elements and so on and so on with all races. That they choose reconstruction instead of helping other entities with their "Revenge".
And the message of the expansion is "do not help whoever stabs you in the back."
It's implied that Elune uses their bond with nature to tether their souls to the forests of Azeroth.
It's not 100% confirmed that Elune is responsible for it, but that the Brokers explicitly mention it as a possibility is IMO a sort of tacit confirmation.
There's no indication that she could stop the fire. Otherwise why do any night elves die ever?
She had the power to give them comfort in their moment of death, that doesn't mean she could put out the fires.
And there were countless other massacres of night elves dating back thousands of years to the War of the Ancients.
Why, after all this time, are you only now questioning why Elune didn't intervene? We saw Teldrassil burn in 2018, we knew then that she didn't stop it. Her lack of intervention is not new information, the only new information is that she sent their souls to the Shadowlands "in the wake of tragedy."
Unless we get more information that indicates Elune is putting on an act in this cutscene and is actually some sort of mercurial trickster that wants to upset the balance between Life and Death or something, there's just no reason to assume there was anything malicious on Elune's part, and nor was there ever any reason to think that she had the power to stop it, otherwise she'd have intervened during Teldrassil and countless other battles, and the night elves would never have gone through all the hardships they've gone through.
And hell, like I said, that leads to what I think would actually be an interesting story, whether Blizzard is interested in or capable of telling it or not: were the night elves to complacent and trusting in their deity to save them? Was their faith misplaced? A crises of faith would be an incredibly compelling source of drama, if handled correctly.
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I think we are witnessing a Garrosh 2.0. Do you remember when Garrosh was written as honorable and then changed?
Well, I think everyone agreed that Elune was not cool, a very distant and maybe capricious Goddess. Now we must believe that she actually cares for her children and about their free will?
- Elune let Teldrassil burn to fuel Anima to the Winter Queen. Ok, maybe she did that to fix the balance between souls and reality.
- She brought nuclear bombs (Night Warrior), an uncontrollable source of power that destroyed worlds.
- She took the power away from Tyrande and now claims that Tyrande has freedom of will.
- She knew that Winter Queen needed Anima, but she did not know the Anima never reached Ardenweald. Why Tyrande did not phone call the Winter Queen? Or at least checked the tracking service at UPS? hahaha
I thought that Elune maybe was a Goddess with multiple faces: renewal, revenge, etc. But it seems I was wrong.
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Bipolar af.
Elune sacrificed her beloved people, on behalf of the winter queen, while also granting Tyrande's invocation of vengeance, stops her from claiming vengeance and then tells her god sister that now Tyrande has to choose renewal or vengeance. Obviously Tyrande will choose renewal only after Malfurion (suspiciously absent) comes to save her, and full ressurect the NE populace. But so fucked and so terrifying. If the nelfs are subject to this kind of treatment, how dispencible are the other races of Azeroth in comparison.
This is so radically bipolar.
Of course Elune in the knowledge of the Shadowlands and of full renewal would not have seen the destruction of Teldrassil as a bad thing, terrifying as that is. Not only that, but Elune has a presence throughout the cosmos whereas she has a presence on Draenor and other worlds with druids as seen in the NF campaign. How is Elune not a greater power than Sargeras? Is she a void lord?
100% yes, Elune is a void lord. Meaning so is the Winter Queen. The Winter Queen's ex-husbando? The Jailer / Death King. It basically means the void lords are essentially the Daedric gods of wow - some benevolent, mercurial af, worshipped and above all to be feared.
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This shit is so far off from the original night elves presented in WC3 and the War of the Anceints tirlogy that explains their origin and the full picture of the race as well as explaining thatWC3 manual entry in detail.
I'm so done with this.