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  1. #761
    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    to be fair here: does life really matter, after playing an afterlife expansion? i mean, Blizzard factually devalued life in the second, they released SL. „omg i dont wanna die! no worries, you keep doing adventures in Ardenweald.“ hmmm…
    I fully agree and didn’t understand the whole fuss about tree burning right from the start.

    Who cares if they all gonna continue their lives in afterlife.

    This is actually the point Sylvanas were making too when telling that she wants an afterlife to be fair. Because apparently the life is just artificial construct where souls spend a tiny fraction of their existence.

  2. #762
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethas View Post
    So apparently not only Sylvanas sees nelf tree burning as as act of greater good because life doesn’t matter. But also the ultimate almighty Elune too. I wonder if Alliance is choking hard at that and the fact that Sylvanas is just smart and cool character.
    I thought she wanted to "kill hope".
    The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
    Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
    Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?

  3. #763
    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    in the end it all comes down to 2 simple things:

    - wow is 16 years old. and when running out of ideas, companies do shit like this.
    - horrible cheap shit bad writing.

    simple as that.
    The worst thing is that there are ideas.
    People came asking for the expansion of the void against Nzoth and Azhara and blizzard just dismissed it.

    There are people who were expecting a Tyrande vs Maiev plot for the Kaldorei and instead we have this fledgling thing.

  4. #764
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    so why even tyrande is angry on sylvanas, elune would killed them anyway just to give souls to jailer xd

  5. #765
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    I thought she wanted to "kill hope".
    Yep because she was talking to live object who presumed the hope is about chances to live. Sylvanas gets that there is no hope in the sense that everybody dies sooner or later and ventures to Shadowlands where they are forced to do boring job for eternity.

  6. #766
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethas View Post
    Yep because she was talking to live object who presumed the hope is about chances to live. Sylvanas gets that there is no hope in the sense that everybody dies sooner or later and ventures to Shadowlands where they are forced to do boring job for eternity.
    Her reaction to the "you can't kill hope" line didn't have anything to do with the Shadowlands. It was a spontaneous, petulant reaction that saved no purpose except to utterly humiliate an enemy who dared to defy her with her dying breath and it was rooted in nothing but pure spite. It's basically the same thing Arthas did to Sylvanas hence the flashback in that cinematic.
    The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
    Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
    Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?

  7. #767
    My problem with it is that you can completely remove the Night Warrior element from the story and not miss it. Like, at all. It had 0 impact on the overall plot and story direction, and had no notable character evolution/resolution. What, she turned Nathanos into a Pez dispenser? Big deal, Nathanos was an absolute nothing of a character that was more of an annoyance than anything.

    You know your story is bad when it can be safely ignored and that omission doesn’t impact the other characters/plotlines at all. It’s like WoD, where the plot/story-impact can legit be boiled down into “Gul’dan came back, and then…..” Trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    And i said we know to little about Elune. She maybe did help the horde, or she did not. Maybe she is fighting other big bads like the shadow lords. Or maybe Elune is secretly Zovaal. Or maybe even sylvannas?

    And that is my whole problem with all this Elune talk. We know nothing. We know a little bit of her power. So claiming a big thing that changes the whole narrative of the story is not only silly. but stupid if you do it without facts etc behind it.
    We know that she sent night elf souls to Ardenweald, and for that to happen night elves needed to die.

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