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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    Yes, that's their stance. They're the dudebros. The idea that your worth in society is contingent on your sexual value is their frame. They're pointing at how masculine our society is for this. By being mocked for their sexual failures they're getting their point handed to them on a silver platter.

    And I understand why this is so tempting to women. They're in a seller's market and they're aware that they get to use this as rhetorical leverage. But by taking this bait they're reaffirming to everyone that a woman's opinion is reinforced due to men wanting to have sex with them.

    I'm saying that this is a blunder. If you want to be valued as a human being, then you would avoid letting others give you agency based on your sexual value.
    Not to go on a tangent, but the sneaking suspicion that a lot of these 'virtuous men' are former "dudebros" who simply have switched their tactic to pretending to champion social causes to hold on to their shitty attitudes without repercussions and sometimes even lauded for their behavior has been there for a while, and the more time passes and the more I see cases of these great "male allies" come to light, the more I'm certain that there's truth to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Look, these incels are heckin dangerous.

    I went down the stairs on time and I slipped and fell on my back. Come to see that there's an empty crisps packet on one of the steps! The incels are out for my life, you have to believe me!
    Haha, you stupid people, incels are not dangerous at all, you're just afraid of shadows!

    Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.thelantern.com/2021/07/o...ential-target/

    There is a reason for this categorization, and a part of this category IS very dangerous.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    In a way it is all men. I have been heavily involved in underground punk scene for for ~20 years and recently the widespread abuse, rape and sexual harassment that has been going on came to light and the stories are utterly disgusting. Not talking few, or several but HUNDREDS of people who came forward with detailed stories. How were these predators able to carry on with this for so long? Because "good guys" kept their mouth shut when their friends/band members/etc behaved badly.

    It's like a pyramid, starting with the "locker room talk" and other douchebag behaviour and people turning blind eye to it.
    There we go. I wonder how many of you there are who harbor such thoughts. We abolish anyone who says a single negative thing against women as that's "sexist", but then the misandry thrives unabated. It's not all men. I'm pretty sure punk rock concerts attract a lot of a certain type of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    I'm sure they'll miss your 15 bucks, angry kiddo.
    You better believe they will. Because he won't alone in this, there will be thousands more, and not all of them will post here to announce that. It is already happening btw, and now with all this woke-shit it will only accelerate.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Haha, you stupid people, incels are not dangerous at all, you're just afraid of shadows!

    Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.thelantern.com/2021/07/o...ential-target/

    There is a reason for this categorization, and a part of this category IS very dangerous.
    In a similar light, did you see how many cat owners killed people? Such a menace. We need to put a stop to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tortuga234 View Post
    This entire topic is devoid of sources proff from the likes of you. Everyone shreeks that proof is not needed because "believe all whamen".
    Yet whenever you disagree on a fact you demand proof. It's hillarious really.
    If he states something as a fact that can be proven/disproven, then yeah, i'd like a source. It's "funny" you compare it to the blizzard situation where hundreds of current and ex employees come out to tell their stories.

    But yeah... gotcha?

    Sorry, this men are the real supressed class is some gade a incel bullshit that doesn't hold water in any way - so if you want to do such a ridiculous claim, better come prepared with some evidence.

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    In-game Changes. We have heard the input from employee and player communities that some of our in-game content is inappropriate. We are removing that content.
    Oh no, not platekinis...

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Not to go on a tangent, but the sneaking suspicion that a lot of these 'virtuous men' are former "dudebros" who simply have switched their tactic to pretending to champion social causes to hold on to their shitty attitudes without repercussions and sometimes even lauded for their behavior has been there for a while, and the more time passes and the more I see cases of these great "male allies" come to light, the more I'm certain that there's truth to it.
    I have been very vocal about "wokefishers" for ages, and the problem is 100% real. The dudes who wear "this is what a feminist looks like"-shirt on tinder profiles and other bullshit are huge red flag. More actions, less virtue signalling on social media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    In a similar light, did you see how many cat owners killed people? Such a menace. We need to put a stop to it.
    Well, i'm, sure you can provide me with an article of the planned mass murder someone commited/planned because of their love of cats. I'm sure you got that and this isn't some hillarious bad comparison.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    I have been very vocal about "wokefishers" for ages, and the problem is 100% real. The dudes who wear "this is what a feminist looks like"-shirt on tinder profiles and other bullshit are huge red flag. More actions, less virtue signalling on social media.
    "No, don't run away, I'm an ally! I'm a male feminist!"
    "Come on, Petra, run harder!"



    But yeah, it's just being a jock shithead with another step, and it's good that people are seeing through it.

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    What you're doing is a motte and bailey, though.

    You'll say it refers to a very specific subset of people that self-identify with it, then do a switcheroo and call anyone who has a viewpoint you don't like it in order to demean them. I wasn't born yesterday.

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    Okay, but pray tell how many of the women involved (not as victims, but simply as bystandards, knowledgeable about it) were silent and in that sense complicit?
    Being a chauvanistic abuser who blames women for not giving them sex that they feel entitled to isn't a "viewpoint" no matter how hard you try to legitimize it, and you're goddamned right I'll demean anyone who denigrates or feels ownership over women. But hey, you go on defending monstrous behavior...you're doing a very effective job of demonstrating precisely the kind of person you are, and all I can say is I'm grateful I'll never have to work with anyone remotely like you, as my workplace has zero tolerance for misogynistic assholes.

    As to your second point, women are not complicit as bystanders if they were (as the lawsuit claims, and as dozens of testimonies corroborate) pressured or threatened into silence by male staff and HR personnel whose sole interest was in preserving Blizzard's reputation.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Well, i'm, sure you can provide me with an article of the planned mass murder someone commited/planned because of their love of cats. I'm sure you got that and this isn't some hillarious bad comparison.
    And I'm sure you can find me more than 5 cases where a literal self-proclaimed incel murdered people and you're not just overblowing something because you're told it's a big issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Being a chauvanistic abuser who blames women for not giving them sex that they feel entitled to isn't a "viewpoint" no matter how hard you try to legitimize it, and you're goddamned right I'll demean anyone who denigrates or feels ownership over women. But hey, you go on defending monstrous behavior...you're doing a very effective job of demonstrating precisely the kind of person you are, and all I can say is I'm grateful I'll never have to work with anyone remotely like you, as my workplace has zero tolerance for misogynistic assholes.

    As to your second point, women are not complicit as bystanders if they were (as the lawsuit claims, and as dozens of testimonies corroborate) pressured or threatened into silence by male staff and HR personnel whose sole interest was in preserving Blizzard's reputation.
    Assumptions assumptions assumptions assumptions.

    Not even sure you're still aware of who you're talking to and what it's about, it all seems.. not very lucid. Maybe you've been arguing with strawmen for too long and now everything looks like a nail to you. Or maybe it's just all starting to blur together for you. Either way, take a break and catch your breath because you're tilting at windmills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermelloth View Post
    Oh no, not platekinis...
    Well, we can attack strawmans, or take a look at what they're actually removing:

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/referen...arcraft-323588

    You really think they can just with the snap of a finger remove half the armor models? This is about this one person who has dozens of references in the game, which are now purged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    And I'm sure you can find me more than 5 cases where a literal self-proclaimed incel murdered people and you're not just overblowing something because you're told it's a big issue.

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    Assumptions assumptions assumptions assumptions.

    Not even sure you're still aware of who you're talking to and what it's about, it all seems.. not very lucid. Maybe you've been arguing with strawmen for too long and now everything looks like a nail to you.
    Moving goalposts much? I linked you an article why this mindset is dangerous with a current case.

    You invent some bogus claim, and when called out on it you move the goalposts to: well you have one example, but i demand 5!

    So, lets get you a whole list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#...s_and_violence

    I'm waiting anxious how the goalposts will be moved now.

    Will it be:
    1. Well they're not self-described
    2. Old stuff
    3. Wikipedia is no source

    curious what you will go for

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    If he states something as a fact that can be proven/disproven, then yeah, i'd like a source. It's "funny" you compare it to the blizzard situation where hundreds of current and ex employees come out to tell their stories.

    But yeah... gotcha?

    Sorry, this men are the real supressed class is some gade a incel bullshit that doesn't hold water in any way - so if you want to do such a ridiculous claim, better come prepared with some evidence.
    The grand stories of i didnt get promoted #harassment. Very convincing.
    Blizz fucked up when they hired dumbos for 3.50 thinking they were smart hiring cheap from the bottom of the barrel and now its biting them back as they screech for more gibs.
    Edit: since many seem busy getting offended and like to take things wrong: its both men and women doing this right now on twitter.
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  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    "No, don't run away, I'm an ally! I'm a male feminist!"
    "Come on, Petra, run harder!"



    But yeah, it's just being a jock shithead with another step, and it's good that people are seeing through it.
    Your constant referral to people who criticize your shitty takes as "jocks" is verrrry telling. I'm guessing you had a really hard time in high school, and found refuge in video games, which is why you feel personally attacked when the companies that make those games come under fire for demonstrating the kind of toxic behavior against women that you wish you could get away with.

    It would probably surprise you to know that most of the people advocating for necessary culture change in the gaming industry are the farthest thing in the world from the stereotypical idea of a jock...most, in fact, are geeks (or nerds, or whatever the popular term is nowadays for people who primarily interact with computation or similar STEM fields as part of their career or hobbies). The difference between them and you/the people you defend is that rather than blaming their struggles on women, they grew from them, made meaningful personal changes, respected their colleagues and went on to live well adjusted and satisfying lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbit View Post
    The grand stories of i didnt get promoted #harassment. Very convincing.
    Blizz fucked up when they hired dumbos for 3.50 thinking they were smart hiring cheap from the bottom of the barrel and now its biting them back as they screech for more gibs.
    You're aware that this isn't some people screeching on twitter, but the state of california opening a case after blizzard had been reprimaneded 2 years prior and didn't change?

    Yeah sure, just some twitter wokeristas.


    I don't like them myself, but that doesn't mean discrimination doesn't exist.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Haha, you stupid people, incels are not dangerous at all, you're just afraid of shadows!

    Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.thelantern.com/2021/07/o...ential-target/

    There is a reason for this categorization, and a part of this category IS very dangerous.
    Like another poster said: you're helping to make the incel's case for them.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    You're aware that this isn't some people screeching on twitter, but the state of california opening a case after blizzard had been reprimaneded 2 years prior and didn't change?

    Yeah sure, just some twitter wokeristas.


    I don't like them myself, but that doesn't mean discrimination doesn't exist.
    A case without a conviction isnt worth much outside weaponizing it as its done right now.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    It's "funny" you compare it to the blizzard situation where hundreds of current and ex employees come out to tell their stories.
    Stories are not proof. They are... stories. It's even in the name.

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Being a chauvanistic abuser who blames women for not giving them sex that they feel entitled to isn't a "viewpoint" no matter how hard you try to legitimize it, and you're goddamned right I'll demean anyone who denigrates or feels ownership over women. But hey, you go on defending monstrous behavior...you're doing a very effective job of demonstrating precisely the kind of person you are, and all I can say is I'm grateful I'll never have to work with anyone remotely like you, as my workplace has zero tolerance for misogynistic assholes.

    As to your second point, women are not complicit as bystanders if they were (as the lawsuit claims, and as dozens of testimonies corroborate) pressured or threatened into silence by male staff and HR personnel whose sole interest was in preserving Blizzard's reputation.
    Who claims to own females though? I'm genuinely curious.

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