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  1. #841
    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    But we, as regular human beings should place trust into victims and their stories.
    Why in the fuck?
    Some tell the truth, some lie. If you blindly believe everyone, then you're a fool.
    I have a bridge to sell you btw.

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Is a court case the only thing you’ll accept?

    Is bill cosby a rapist?
    NO he is not. A sexual predator? Yes. A rapist, no because he currently has no rape conviction against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    LMAO I'm not the one who champions capitalism all while decrying the outcomes it creates. I have never spent $200 on any video game when I can pirate that shit lol.
    Yes i champion a system that has raised then poverty floor so high, we'd be kings hundreds of years ago. No I don't think it's perfect before you screech at me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    Yeah. Stupid ass socialists blame everything on capitalism itself rather tham corporations when my capitalist work place doesn't do anything bad and most individuals are capitalist. You mad i sold a vita game on ebay for 200 dollars last year?
    While you can argue the details, corporations and corporativism are a direct consequence of capitalism. Free market and capitalism is at the core of many problems that we have today. E.G.: Insulin and big pharma in the US.

    Not here to argue which system is better because it's pointless, but capitalism comes with a lot of baggage and many problems.
    I don't want solutions. I want to be mad. - PoorlyDrawnlines

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    NO he is not. A sexual predator? Yes. A rapist, no because he currently has no rape conviction against him.
    You need a reality check. He is a rapist.

    I’m going to Godwin here: I guess hitler was innocent of genocide? He wasn’t convicted.

  6. #846
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Is a court case the only thing you’ll accept?
    People are innocent until proven guilty.
    It's the standard I want for myself and thus I will defend it for anybody else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    I didn't mean it shouldn't be investigated, of course it needs to be investigated. But we, as regular human beings should place trust into victims and their stories. These are not easy things to come forward with. The shame, confusion and even guilt are such dominant feelings when you're victim of these sorts of things.
    I'm not gonna let compassion shroud my judgement. People lie all the time.
    I will not mistreat Jussiette Smollette and her story about being a victim of white Maga rape... but neither will I blindly trust this alleged victim by default before an investigation has taken place.

    Better risk being heartless than a manipulated tool and fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nimin View Post
    They're both healthy.
    You doubt everyone involved. You investigate everything and everyone.
    Then, after you've ascertained the individual truth of each case, you dole out the sentence. But only then.

    The fact that it's one person claiming X or n+1 people claiming X doesn't mean the second isn't investigated just as throughly.
    You missed the part where the investigation already happened and there is plenty of proof. Sure they will have their day in court, but if a person is holding the murder weapon atop a bloody corpse and other 100 people said they watched him stab someone, don't be surprised if the court rules that he is a murderer.

    Being overly skeptical of everything is not a good thing, and contrary to popular belief, not a sign of intelligence either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    Yes i champion a system that has raised then poverty floor so high, we'd be kings hundreds of years ago. No I don't think it's perfect before you screech at me
    a hundred years ago most people became homeless and lost their livelihoods because of capitalist greed. never at any point in time would you or I be "kings" in the capitalist system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluvs View Post
    While you can argue the details, corporations and corporativism are a direct consequence of capitalism. Free market and capitalism is at the core of many problems that we have today. E.G.: Insulin and big pharma in the US.

    Not here to argue which system is better because it's pointless, but capitalism comes with a lot of baggage and many problems.
    If there are 2 businesses, one goes full blizzard corporation and one is a humble ma and pa shop, you'd blame the system and not the people who chose to go full corporation? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluvs View Post
    You missed the part where the investigation already happened and there is plenty of proof. Sure they will have their day in court, but if a person is holding the murder weapon atop a bloody corpse and other 100 people said they watched him stab someone, don't be surprised if the court rules that he is a murderer.

    Being overly skeptical of everything is not a good thing, and contrary to popular belief, not a sign of intelligence either.
    What does this false equivalence have anything to do with my post?

  11. #851
    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    He got a $100m+ bonus last year. Dude can hire the best PR letter writer on planet earth.
    This right here. For people in positions of power or with vast monetary resources, anything that wasn't said in person (and could be rehearsed if in person) should not be taken as their actual words unless proven otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    a hundred years ago most people became homeless and lost their livelihoods because of capitalist greed. never at any point in time would you or I be "kings" in the capitalist system.
    Not true, not in the US. America was still accepting immigrants in the 1920s. Many immigrants made a fortune in the first quarter of the 20th century because they risked everything to come to a capitalist system that they heard held the promise of reward for hard work.

  13. #853
    Quote Originally Posted by vincink View Post
    Not true, not in the US. America was still accepting immigrants in the 1920s. Many immigrants made a fortune in the first quarter of the 20th century because they risked everything to come to a capitalist system that they heard held the promise of reward for hard work.
    ever heard of the great depression? and no they created their fortunes in the aftermath of the world war where unions were at their peak and taxes on the wealthy equally so. also didn't hurt that nearly every other industrialized country in the world was a smoldering pile of rubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    a hundred years ago most people became homeless and lost their livelihoods because of capitalist greed. never at any point in time would you or I be "kings" in the capitalist system.
    And now, millions have apartments with dogs and thousands of dollars of video games while arguing across the world on tiny computers. What a horrible system!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straga21 View Post
    It is not something else. If they bring proof on an individual level. I will believe those ones. If someone says oh yeah I was totally molested during a drunken work party 10 years ago, it was not consensual or anything like it totally happened and all the proof I have is that I am saying this. Now that we've got that out of the way I'd like my thousands of lawsuit dollars on my credit card by tomorrow.
    Well, Straga21, at this point you will only believe that they are guilty if they come out and scream that. While I can understand your reasoning, you are literally ignoring all the signs. Saying that, not all information is out, but this case is like a centipede, the shoes keep on dropping and when everything falls in place, you will reach the same concusion that many here already arrived, just six months later.

    While I totally agree with some skepticism, I also believe you are going overboard on it.
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    I mean, while this statement is ten times better then anything i have heard from anyone the last days, we need to wait before we judge "empty words" until we See some Action. I know alot of people are upset and even i consider to take a break from the game(s) but people need to wait with their rude words. You have to give them at least a chance to correct their mistakes, before you write another hateful messages. This whole process needs time. And for the people who are saying thst He didnt write it himself, come on, there are just a few people who do this in such a crisis or in politics in general.

  17. #857
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    And now, millions have apartments with dogs and thousands of dollars of video games while arguing across the world on tiny computers. What a horrible system!
    and now they all face evictions and medical, school debt. work dead end jobs with no way of making their living situation better because heaven forbid we tax Amazon, like at all.

  18. #858
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    a hundred years ago most people became homeless and lost their livelihoods because of capitalist greed. never at any point in time would you or I be "kings" in the capitalist system.
    As opposed to what, eating our infants under the communist regime?
    I'll take "Possible King" over "guaranteed poor" anytime of the day, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    If there are 2 businesses, one goes full blizzard corporation and one is a humble ma and pa shop, you'd blame the system and not the people who chose to go full corporation? Lol
    If the system allowed for the birth of a Blizzard type corporation, I would blame the system. Just because the system can do good it does not mean it cant do bad things. Not to mention that today's economy is a oligopoly, the ma an pa shops are dying all around the USA.
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  20. #860
    Quote Originally Posted by Sluvs View Post
    While you can argue the details, corporations and corporativism are a direct consequence of capitalism. Free market and capitalism is at the core of many problems that we have today. E.G.: Insulin and big pharma in the US.

    Not here to argue which system is better because it's pointless, but capitalism comes with a lot of baggage and many problems.
    Well, technically, the free market never existed and would never exist. There's always someone intervening: corporations fixing prices between them or parceling where each one can sell, buyers boicoting corporations, goverments taxing products or putting custom duties, brokers manipulating the market, etc.
    Free market is a fairy tale.

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