They literally have incidents of females not being promoted simply because they were pregnant. How is that about equality of outcome and not opportunity?
You seem to not understand there is entire field of practice within Diversity, Equity and Inclusion efforts that uses statistical modelling to determine expected outcomes based on dozens and dozens of factors. It's not as simple as "we want x% of y"
For many jobs, the simple reason is that there are simply more people with X characteristics going into that area.
I mean, do you think that the reason why there are vastly more female nurses than male nurses is that recruiters actively discriminate against men? Or is it simply that there's a vastly superior number of female applicants in the first place?
I'm not saying there is or isn't discrimination in hiring in game development or even tech in general, for instance, but the main reason there are so many white males in tech, I would guess, is that there is a substantially higher number of white males aspiring to join that industry and studying towards that purpose.
I can't say if it's still the case, but if you'd visit a computer science class on most universities 10/20/30 years ago, you'd probably have your answer.
Unconcious bias doesn't exist(only a lack of understanding, a lack of education and an ignorant upbringing - combined to varying degrees - can exist), anecdotal evidence can indeed exist but is irrelevant to what I talked about, systemic issues of the scale that you mention don't exist and I'll give my opinion on the matter every single time, because I'm entitled to it as I have experienced the opposite throughout my life.
I know a lot of people who make such jokes and they haven't raped or sexually harassed anyone. Some people are simply into dark and edgy humour. What the lawsuit indicates is what the lawsuit will have to prove in the end.Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000
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Again, you can sit and cry about the assumptions or you can read the information I provided.
But okay, I'll throw you a bone. I'm really sorry I assumed you were an American who's right wing. Happy?
Unconscious bias absolutely exists. Ben Shapiro can cry about it all day, but it exists.
No shit, do you for some reason think that any particular demographic of people would be any more or less qualified on average than another demographic of people? If not, then the diversity of those ultimately selected for something, should mirror the diversity of those who applied (with that expectation weighted by relevant factors). That applicant pool should mirror what's available in the job market. If there is an inequality in outcome, then either you think one group is just better than another on average or there is an inequity in that process.
Implying you do not believe, that getting hired because you belong to a group that is underrepresented in a given industry to appear more diverse is a thing that happens, especially in a place like SoCal/Silicon valley shows you either are naive, or completely oblivious to what has been happening over the last decade.
I'm not saying they would just hire random person from the street over someone qualified, but someone less qualified if it meant incerasing diversity, then yes.
We have a system of law designed to fix those injustices, you don't need to create special racial treatment that's just a new form of discrimination for others to combat it.
You can't remedy discrimination by creating new discrimination.
Tone down the victim narrative now.And Nimin, do you really think it works that way? That you can just go, "Aww gee shucks, even though the system is designed to step on me and keep me down, all I have to do is just stop crying and everything will be alright!" Holy fuck, talk about naive. This isn't about individual circumstances, though those definitely have an effect that shouldn't be ignored, it's about how the law, and the economy, and rules, and perceptions are set against minorities, or set in favor of the majority, rather than being equal.
Things aren't nearly as bad as you're pretending them to be, and it's pretty much textbook neomarxist "down with the Usa" propaganda.
I'm not responsible for stuff that people with no relation to me did 100 years ago, still.Also, "centuries ago"? You do know that Jim Crow and the Civil Rights era were less than a hundred years ago, right? You do understand that the position your grandparents are in affects your parents, and that affects you, RIGHT?
You might wanna tell me facts and not made up what ifs.I'll give you an example. My grandparents are farmers, and have been their whole lives. If they had been black, chances are they would've struggled to purchase the land that they worked for decades, because the system has HISTORICALLY been heavily biased or outright hostile against black people. My entire family might not have been born, or would've been born in completely different circumstances, thus leading to ME not being born. If you can't understand how this shit can affect people on a generational scale, then I don't know what to tell you.
If there's an inequality of outcome in regards to this, it means that certain people were found to be less adequate for a position. Equality of outcome should never exist. And yes, certain ethnic and racial groups, coupled with sexual identity, often define interests and interests often define skillsets.
Is there a logical reason why a demographic of people wouldn't be better for a job? Because I seriously doubt your modern day desk job is going have any particular genetics based on race, sex, sexuality, etc providing an advantage.
Yeah, you're obviously ignorant as fuck in this field to the point you don't even understand the basics. If only white guys are applying for a job, it's absolutely insane to me that you think there isn't an issue with how that job is being marketed or what the reputation of that company is. And you not understanding that top talent is being missed out on if only white guys are applying means you believe only white guys exist among the top talent. Pretty fucking racist and sexist.
Yeah, not sure if you worked anywhere in your life, but people are entitled assholes in every workplace, and most promotions have nothing to do with merit,but how much they sucked up to their bosses. Most of these "better qualified female workers" are :
a) nowhere near qualified enough just have a huge ego and think they are better than their coworkers.
b) can't accept the fact that the person that was promoted wasn't promoted cause he is a male but because he is all up in the boss's asshole.
But just like riot, and Ubisoft, people are jumping on the metoo wagon to score some easy money.
I do think eventually, in a perfect world, we will speak to one another with equal passion and community.
I think right now we need to take the action to reach that point and the fact whites are the primary "victims" of minorities reaching power positions just shows which people held it for so long that they fear a world without it
If 10 whites guys applied for the job and I needed to hire 5 employees, I'd hire the best 5 white guys because those are the people that applied. It is a very simple logic to follow. I'd do the same if 10 black guys applied and I had to hire 5 employees once again; I'd pick the ones most suitable for the job they're being hired for and it would be only black guys. I wouldn't break my head over how many of this or that group applied because that's an inane thing to do.
What you don't understand is that diversity hiring and good business practice don't necessarily go hand in hand. That's why you're immediately spewing buzzword classifications.
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Imagine if even 2 or 3 people within leadership at Blizzard had the same deranged notions about women in the workplace as you do.
Not hard to then understand why it's such a fucked up place to work.
Harassment takes place. Victim complains. Straga21 is the manager responsible for handling the complaint. 'This is just metoo shit'.
It's been studied and proved that males on average tend do be more interested in the "mechanical" aspect of things and women more in the "people" side of stuff.
It's the reason why there's a ton of male mechanics and tons of female nurses, for example.
It's no surprise that most if not all the best vidya that have ever been produced came from all-male neckbeard teams, they're deep into their craft while an all-female team might just touch surface level, like we saw happen in e-sports tournaments.
This truth might be unpleasant to some but it's true nonetheless.