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  1. #141
    If the women were consenting then this should technically all be fine. Just bros having some fun.

    Edit: didn't know they were employees. This changes things.
    Last edited by GreenJesus; 2021-07-28 at 09:14 PM.

  2. #142
    the amount of virtue signalling in this thread is huge

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Why are you conflating bringing women to a hotel room and sexual harassment in the workplace? Of course GC almost certainly knew what was happening in the office, I'm not excusing him of anything. I'm just saying these particular images don't prove anything except he once posed with a pic of Bill Cosby and got drunk with the guys at Blizzcon.
    Because it was during a corporate event, because some being brought up were employees who were 'networking' with the bosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    I think at this point this is up there with some of the biggests PR disasters in gaming in a very long time.
    I'd quip the only way this gets worse is if we find out they were also abusing crunch to get games done, but then I'd return from work and another batch of abusers would have dropped.

    This is the house of cards falling down at this point, nobody is safe, everybody is complicit, and frankly it may destroy 30 years of legacies.
    WoW has Cancer. First you cut out the cancer (abusive devs), then you assign an aggressive treatment plan (major design rework) to save it.

    Or you just let it die because that's too expensive.

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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    From the Kotaku article which clearly a lot of people haven't read:


    No, it wasn't about sex at all. How could anyone come to that conclusion.

    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...=1627495648163
    No-one is saying these guys weren't looking for sex.

    Anyway, it's going to be interesting to see what GC says about this. If he's smart he'll keep his mouth shut, but that carries the risk of looking suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Allegations that were sufficiently backed to get him sacked. I’m quite sure if there wasn’t the evidence he could have claimed for wrongful dismissal. Seriously, sacking someone from a post like that requires pretty overwhelming evidence.

    That it didn’t go to trial was probably an agreement to protect the company’s reputation. You know, how they tried last week when they put out that statement denying everything. And have since kind of accepted it but individuals have made efforts to try to distance themselves personally.
    If he's fired and given a golden parachute he wouldn't fight it, and that's what happens in these cases. They fire someone to keep loud mouths that are starting drama quiet while giving the person fired a huge pay out to make them happy about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    If the women were consenting then this should technically all be fine. Just bros having some fun.
    Learn the difference between consent and coercion. There’s a massive power play involved here in regards to whole careers, never mind their present economic circumstances.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    Oh sorry, I thought this was in a group chat and not in a conference with all of them present, my bad. oh fucking wait.

    Also with all these sexual harassment accusations you'd think that in the age of smartphones there'd be at least a shred of evidence. Sorry, I don't buy allegations without evidence anymore, there's too many false accusations out there. Show me something concrete other than "penis havers bad! Believe the vagina havers!"
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    The left pic is a private group chat.
    some of it was private talk. some of it was public. some of it was IN. THE. WORKPLACE

    I'm not saying they're all rapists or even that any of them are but it is extremely clear that a lot of high ups in Blizzard knew that this behaviour (which at the most generous could be described as extremely inappropriate) was going on and at very least turned a blind eye to it. which is exactly what they have claimed not to have done

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    From the Kotaku article which clearly a lot of people haven't read:


    No, it wasn't about sex at all. How could anyone come to that conclusion.

    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...=1627495648163
    There could be photos of Afrasiabi literally fondling someone who works for him and the contrarian galaxy brains in this thread will come up with some excuse for it. Shit posters gunna shit post.

    It really shouldn't have to be pointed out that partying at conventions is normal and that hooking up at a party is more than common. The problem is that the people who are holding these parties are inviting co-workers that work beneath them to said party, putting moves on them, and then (per the fucking lawsuit) retaliate against said employees when they deny the advances. If it has to be explained to you why that's a bad thing then you're just too stupid for the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    If he's fired and given a golden parachute he wouldn't fight it, and that's what happens in these cases. They fire someone to keep loud mouths that are starting drama quiet while giving the person fired a huge pay out to make them happy about it.
    Dude, you can’t just go to the head of your company, make an accusation and expect a high level manager to get sacked.

    At best you’re the one who gets the payoff.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    Found a new picture, this time with a bunch of Booze!

    In the OP.

    And, more tweets by hidden IDs. I wonder if they are some of the people from the Picture?!

    JFC dude how far down the rabbit hole are we going?!
    Are you going to correct your earlier post where you accused Olivia without reading her follow up messages?

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I don't see anything in these pictures that means Ghostcrawler knew that women were being sexually harassed in the office. Of course he almost certainly did know, but to me this photo isn't really evidence of anything except they went out partying one night, just like millions of other people do every weekend.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Learn the difference between consent and coercion. There’s a massive power play involved here in regards to whole careers, never mind their present economic circumstances.
    Is it confirmed the women were employees or were they perhaps random women at the bar?

    People hooking up? How dare they! They can't have sex before marriage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    There could be photos of Afrasiabi literally fondling someone who works for him and the contrarian galaxy brains in this thread will come up with some excuse for it. Shit posters gunna shit post.

    It really shouldn't have to be pointed out that partying at conventions is normal and that hooking up at a party is more than common. The problem is that the people who are holding these parties are inviting co-workers that work beneath them to said party, putting moves on them, and then (per the fucking lawsuit) retaliate against said employees when they deny the advances. If it has to be explained to you why that's a bad thing then you're just too stupid for the conversation.
    You would think this would be clear but denial is an addictive drug. Given EVERYTHING else that has come out in the last five days this is just context for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Learn the difference between consent and coercion. There’s a massive power play involved here in regards to whole careers, never mind their present economic circumstances.
    In my old job there were a couple of women having fun with the higher ups. They didn't seem to mind. Stop treating women like they're incapable of making decisions (even stupid ones) on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    pffffhahahhahahahahhahahahhahahha hahahhahah omfg hahahahhahahahahhahahha Either you don't have friends or you're not a girl holy shit
    Do you really think men face as much sexual harassment in the work than women? Do you live on this planet at all?

  17. #157
    What a ****** disgusting Honesty from that Women who Supported this in the first place!

    https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/sta...68265781010432

    AND YOU DID NOTHING STILL!

    IF YOU KNEW YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR WALKED AWAY!!

    I have zero, ZERO Sympathy for that Women.

    Holy christ i am boiling of rage so much rn this is ridicolous!
    Last edited by Izzyfurious; 2021-07-28 at 09:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Is it confirmed the women were employees or were they perhaps random women at the bar?;
    From the statements in the lawsuits, employees.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    As douchey as that behavior is, none of it implies sexual harassment.
    It's not about direct sexual harassment, that's where you're strawmanning the whole thing.

    It's about the culture of a group of individuals that fostered an environment where sexual harassment ended up happening. This is evidence of that culture existing.
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  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    From the Kotaku article which clearly a lot of people haven't read:


    No, it wasn't about sex at all. How could anyone come to that conclusion.

    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...=1627495648163
    If it was consensual it doesn't really matter. If it's not it's fucked up.

    Also Alex doesn't matter anymore, we know he is a harasser.

    Greg, Jesse, Cory and Dave though. We can't just accuse them of shit when they might aswell have thought it was something silly between "bros".

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