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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    Yeah, it has been a little disheartening seeing people pretend as though an investigation has not already occurred, advocate for disbelieving and shaming the victims, and some even going so far as to almost make "great replacement" claims regarding pursuing a more diverse staff at Blizzard. It's disgusting.
    I'm willing to bet it's because it's actions they partake in themselves so if this is brought to light then they might be next as things start changing for the better. Abusers will always try to protect abusers to make sure there's no chance they'll be next.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    So you are ok with punishing victims of the crime, well that's just not how I work.

    What's worse - is many people are using this crime as an excuse to dish out more hatred for something they've already made up their mind on.

    Using the suffering of others to advance their own trivial dislike of WoW.
    Punishing the victims.. by not having them stick around with the supposed noble goal of having to rebuild the place that victimized them and instead allowing them to find a place that does respect them a bit more..

    I think it's you who might be too attached to WoW, tbh.

  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    Those points aren't being said.
    With all due respect that was precisely what was said in the post I quoted. Make your points on someone else's post. Don't deliberately misunderstand mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Protesting in and out of game - is great, but all the people demanding the end of WoW or promoting the end of WoW because of this - they need to remember that the vast vast majority of WoW creators are victims or innocent, and throwing them under the bus along with the perpetrators - not good.
    They're just vultures that think they see a body.
    “We live in a moment where everything immediately seems to default to outrage. There’s a kind of M.O. of either it’s exactly how I see it, or you’re my enemy.”

  4. #184
    Good god stop harnessing greg street morons. You wanna get mad spam alex.

    It makes 0 sense he somehow knew the very unknown at the time public opinion of cosby (who was still doing well and having shows and traveling.) To post on his business focused twitter with rape jokes.

    You can add this to list of people's lives your idiot witch hunts messed up in recent times.

  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Abusers will always try to protect abusers to make sure there's no chance they'll be next.
    One of the best things to come out of the MeToo movement (and it also benefits all) is how it highlights HOW damaging arbitration and NDAs are in industry. It's v-e-r-y "anti-competitive" and designed to protect larger corporations. Amazon, for example, can't simply move their warehouse into a locale and not pay ANYTHING, while not paying a living wage, too. If workers complain, they get sacked and lose references too (so all this talk of, "Don't like it quit" does NOT help employees and careers).

    People stating such things to simply quit never worked outside McDonald's. Game dev is a career you simply don't "quit" before dressing up your CV and references -- and lining up job opportunities.
    From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
    They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."


  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    He has literally been spending this entire thread calling this lawsuit a sham and how they shouldn't get sued for "mean comments". Once again, if you want to believe an obvious liar then that's on you. But I'm not going to humor this with you anymore.
    And an abuse victim can't be a troll? About 1/3rd of childhood abuse victims end up becoming abusers themselves.

  7. #187
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    With all due respect that was precisely what was said in the post I quoted. Make your points on someone else's post. Don't deliberately misunderstand mine.
    I did. YOURS.
    From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
    They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."


  8. #188
    lol what a shit show.

    They really think employees get to dictate company policy? Do they have any idea how many people would kill for their job at Blizzard?

    Fire them, get new folks. Done.

  9. #189
    This "bro culture" nonsense is over the top and dilutes the real harassment claims. Can we stop focusing on dumb nonsense like this and listen to the women who have been harassed?

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    One of the best things to come out of the MeToo movement (and it also benefits all) is how it highlights HOW damaging arbitration and NDAs are in industry. It's v-e-r-y "anti-competitive" and designed to protect larger corporations. Amazon, for example, can't simply move their warehouse into a locale and not pay ANYTHING, while not paying a living wage, too. If workers complain, they get sacked and lose references too (so all this talk of, "Don't like it quit" does NOT help employees and careers).

    People stating such things to simply quit never worked outside McDonald's. Game dev is a career you simply don't "quit" before dressing up your CV and references -- and lining up job opportunities.
    Yup, exactly. It's technically illegal for your previous employer to talk shit about you but in big industries like video games, I don't think anyone who quits Blizzard for harassment reasons would ever find a job again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    And an abuse victim can't be a troll? About 1/3rd of childhood abuse victims end up becoming abusers themselves.
    There's a different between being a jerk and actively trying to invalidate this entire lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    And an abuse victim can't be a troll? About 1/3rd of childhood abuse victims end up becoming abusers themselves.
    WOAH! No!

    1/3 is from Child SEXUAL Abuse (CSA) can become perps, IF, they don't get treatment. If they do they can be helped.

    CSA causes "soul murder" and it's particularly harmful.

    NEVER use abuse as an excuse to claim "well they were abused so they were so-and-so...". It's patently offensive and wrong.
    From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
    They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."


  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    lol what a shit show.

    They really think employees get to dictate company policy? Do they have any idea how many people would kill for their job at Blizzard?

    Fire them, get new folks. Done.
    Translation: Blizzard shouldn't change anything. Just start hiring people who won't complain about being sexually harassed.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    lol what a shit show.

    They really think employees get to dictate company policy? Do they have any idea how many people would kill for their job at Blizzard?

    Fire them, get new folks. Done.
    you don't care if people get sexually harassed in the work place, we get it. I feel bad for anyone who has to work with or for you.

  14. #194
    "Do better" "be better"

    These are buzzwords people are using to act like they are enabling change, when in fact it's just corporate babble.

    Don't be better. Don't do better.

    Act better. Act right. Do what's right.

    Do right. Do good.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by chorx View Post
    This "bro culture" nonsense is over the top and dilutes the real harassment claims. Can we stop focusing on dumb nonsense like this and listen to the women who have been harassed?
    can you explain how it dilutes the claims?

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by kevyne-shandris View Post
    woah! No!

    1/3 is from child sexual abuse (csa) can become perps, if, they don't get treatment. If they do they can be helped.

    Csa causes "soul murder" and it's particularly harmful.

    Never use abuse as an excuse to claim "well they were abused so they were so-and-so...". It's patently offensive and wrong.
    thank you for this!

  17. #197
    If ghostcrawler was serious about his feeling guilty and should have spoke up… he’d do the unthinkable and turn witness for the state and testify against his friends and rat them out further

    Anyone can give empty words like sorry, will do better blah blah blah. Meaningless PR, but actions speak louder than words. Really want to apologize? Prove it, by going to the state and telling them everything they don’t know yet

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    "Group chat"

    So what? Congrats on finding some guy's private, casual group chat. Boohoo. Company policy isn't made in there.

  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Explosivo View Post
    can you explain how it dilutes the claims?
    Instead of the story being about the specific people who are harassed, the conversation has shifted to a private chat where no harassment happened. This Cosby room nonsense is taking the spotlight off of the specific claims that are actually actionable. Sorry a bunch of guys in a private chat bantered about banging chicks. To add to that you guys are pretending that Cosby wasn't a meme in 2011 (for very unrelated reasons). This isn't news in the slightest. Lets get back to the specific cases of harassment and find retribution for the people who have been wronged please.

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    If after work, two guys go to a bar and start chatting and joking, is that representative of the company? Hell no. That's them acting as private individuals having fun talking to each other. That's not the company acting.

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