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  1. #541
    They're obviously not gonna get killed but their professional / personal life are over though and this is purely based on twitter's reaction and not on an actual investigation / justice decision.

  2. #542
    Nothing says promoting equality like being divisive about it amirite. :P

  3. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyah View Post
    They're obviously not gonna get killed but their professional / personal life are over though and this is purely based on twitter's reaction and not on an actual investigation / justice decision.
    Who are these 'they'? Greg Street. He'll be fine. He didn't do anything. He was literally 'at the bar'. And the rest? Again, nothing.

    Morhaime, Metzen, everyone will be fine. Those 10 John Does in the Court filing? Time will tell.

    And if something happens to them, it won't be because 'woke cancel culture'. Since they're John Does, y'know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    The problem is, as soon as you do that, you start the slippery slide towards government control, and you get something like China, where you can't say anything against those in power.
    You want evidence? Really? Why not think about what would happen if suddenly your face is painted with "Rapists" all over the social media feed? What kind of shitfuckery your family will go through? Are you really so stupid and dumb and brain dead to not understand such a simple thing?

    And I would rather have a Chinese like authoritative control over social media than to have uncontrolled witch hunters ruining people's lives just for social media clout.
    Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos was the game that brought me into gaming. I was 17 years old then, I abhorred gaming before this game. From then on, I became a fan of Warcraft and Blizzard. To see it all go down the drain like this is truly sad for me. No king rules forever but at least some of them went down in history as real badasses. I hoped Blizzard and Warcraft would be one of them but it is no longer possible.

  5. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    First amendment keeps getting brought up for things it doesn't apply to. So odd how you all don't actually know what the constitution's first amendment is actually about.

    It would only be relevant if social media was government controlled, which it is not. Social media are private company platforms, which is why they can control whatever is being said there. That people expect their 'freedom of speech' to be intact is not actually protected under the constitution. First Amendment has always applied to not allowing the government to limit freedom of speech.
    YOu missed my point entirely and I do know about the 1st Amendment. My point is that the Democrats can't regulate speech themselves, so they have Twitter and Facebook do it for them. The founders of both are heavy donators to the Dems, so they will take down speech the Dems tell them too. Since it is Twitter and Facebook doing it, no first amendment violation. Dems now have the power to regulate speech and silence anyone who disagrees with them, hence a work around the 1st Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    YOu missed my point entirely and I do know about the 1st Amendment. My point is that the Democrats can't regulate speech themselves, so they have Twitter and Facebook do it for them. The founders of both are heavy donators to the Dems, so they will take down speech the Dems tell them too. Since it is Twitter and Facebook doing it, no first amendment violation. Dems now have the power to regulate speech and silence anyone who disagrees with them, hence a work around the 1st Amendment.
    What an ignorant, Americentric view of the world.

    As if there isn't an entire world out there full of people who have nothing to do with the Democratic party or US politics in general, who use social media.

    You sound like one of those people who thinks COVID was a hoax to get Biden elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    YOu missed my point entirely and I do know about the 1st Amendment. My point is that the Democrats can't regulate speech themselves, so they have Twitter and Facebook do it for them. The founders of both are heavy donators to the Dems, so they will take down speech the Dems tell them too. Since it is Twitter and Facebook doing it, no first amendment violation. Dems now have the power to regulate speech and silence anyone who disagrees with them, hence a work around the 1st Amendment.
    Private corporations can do whatever they wish for whatever politically motivated reasons they have to do so. That is not a violation of the first amendment. It's a loophole for sure, but that's exactly how the government functions isn't it? Politics is a game, laws are the rules and loopholes are how they game the system to their advantage. It's no different from having an established system of voting in Senators as representatives of the people, when they spend 80% of their time and effort on making connections to get the funds for the next election campaign. It's a rigged system and social media is just part of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Who are these 'they'? Greg Street. He'll be fine. He didn't do anything. He was literally 'at the bar'.
    Looking at the picture a second time of them all laid out on the bed for their group shot, Greg didn't stay at the bar. I'm not implying anything else but everyone who thinks that Greg Street just stayed in the bar the whole time needs to look at that picture again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrea View Post
    What an ignorant, Americentric view of the world.

    As if there isn't an entire world out there full of people who have nothing to do with the Democratic party or US politics in general, who use social media.

    You sound like one of those people who thinks COVID was a hoax to get Biden elected.
    You would be wrong. But what I say is what is starting to happen in the US as all media is increaingbly controlled by Dem donors and party members The Dems can now effectively have speech regulated in this country by having their donors running the media do it for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moozart View Post
    Not to downplay this whole situation but if this is getting to you I cant imagine how you would feel if what happens on a daily basis in the US Armed Forces ever came to the light of day.
    Iirc there have been several sexual scandals within the US military. On top of my head, I can recall the Tailhook scandal several years ago, or this (as of 2019).
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  11. #551
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    You would be wrong. But what I say is what is starting to happen in the US as all media is increaingbly controlled by Dem donors and party members The Dems can now effectively have speech regulated in this country by having their donors running the media do it for them.
    I hate to break this to you but many big donors donate to both parties. If the republicans would stop acting like inserrectionist q-tards, they wouldn't get donations taken away from them (though this is usually a pointless temporary thing, because the corporations don't really care beoynd their own PR).

  12. #552
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    People are 'jumping' on him, because they're operating under the assumption that he knew what Alex was unto and said nothing.

    Is it possible he knew what Alex was doing around the company? Probably, yeah. But speaking up is not easy. So I'm not going after him.

    It's not his job to go public and say, 'BOIS IT'S 2013 AND ALEX AFRASIABI IS A FUCKING CREEP!' It's a difficult situation.

    That said, if he had an awareness of what was happening, he should've gone to HR.

    Fair. A lot fairer than most have stated.


    It also depends on how things played out. Example.

    I knew a guy that I was not friends with, but friendly with. Chatted at work, that's about it. Dude was a "ladies man". He slept with/dated conservatively...30 females in a large call center in my time there. Other than "he gets around" and "Tammy is looking for Dude" you never really would know much about it. It was a fact that came up later that he was an awful scumbag on the level of this guy and others. There were people in management that knew, and his actual friends he hung out with at work and outside of work that knew he was trash. The people like me that knew him, worked with him, had no real idea. I certainly couldn't have reported much off of "Dude enjoys sex with multiple partners and is not looking for a relationship."

  13. #553
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyah View Post
    They're obviously not gonna get killed but their professional / personal life are over though and this is purely based on twitter's reaction and not on an actual investigation / justice decision.
    Lol, they'll all be fine.

    Twatter's reaction to anything isn't very indicative of what actually goes down in the real world once the dust settles.

    Let the mob mob themselves into exhaustion, same as with the Hong Kong debacle. Then things continue as usual, although hopefully with the company making good on promises to their employees.

  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Private corporations can do whatever they wish for whatever politically motivated reasons they have to do so. That is not a violation of the first amendment. It's a loophole for sure, but that's exactly how the government functions isn't it? Politics is a game, laws are the rules and loopholes are how they game the system to their advantage. It's no different from having an established system of voting in Senators as representatives of the people, when they spend 80% of their time and effort on making connections to get the funds for the next election campaign. It's a rigged system and social media is just part of the game.
    Youa re still missing my point. By having their buddies and allies who own social media, they can get speech that impedes their ability to control silenced without doing it themselves, which means the Dems in the government now have a way of regulating speech without being in violation of the 1st Amendment. Just tell their buddies running the social media businesses what speech to take down.

  15. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Private corporations can do whatever they wish for whatever politically motivated reasons they have to do so.
    They cant. The key is esg - its a social credit system that affects a companies credit rating and rewards you for promoting the right opinion. They have no choice how they wish to behave in terms of politics if they wish to keep a high rating and ensure their survival.

  16. #556
    Quote Originally Posted by HateTrain View Post
    Fair. A lot fairer than most have stated.


    It also depends on how things played out. Example.

    I knew a guy that I was not friends with, but friendly with. Chatted at work, that's about it. Dude was a "ladies man". He slept with/dated conservatively...30 females in a large call center in my time there. Other than "he gets around" and "Tammy is looking for Dude" you never really would know much about it. It was a fact that came up later that he was an awful scumbag on the level of this guy and others. There were people in management that knew, and his actual friends he hung out with at work and outside of work that knew he was trash. The people like me that knew him, worked with him, had no real idea. I certainly couldn't have reported much off of "Dude enjoys sex with multiple partners and is not looking for a relationship."
    I've been in that situation. When I worked in the film industry, I knew a guy who was literally this. Got around. Everyone he dated would then end on bad terms, and he would brush it off as, 'oh you know, no one can pin me down!' One day it's like 'have you seen what happened with XYZ?'

    Guy was basically trying to force partners into threesomes, group sex etc etc. The whole gamut of emotional/sexual toxicity. And I was like...it was right in front of us. But by virtue of never really knowing the dude too well, I couldn't have ever known what exactly was happening.

    Irony at the time was that he didn't even try to deny it when it came out. And the industry being the industry then, he just cracked on!

    I just thought he was a 'player'. I'm just lucky now being married, I don't find myself in such people's proximities, because I don't have a radar for knowing who the fuck is going to turn out to be a creep and who isn't. Sometimes the Asmongold way is good. Just keep away.
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  17. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Youa re still missing my point. By having their buddies and allies who own social media, they can get speech that impedes their ability to control silenced without doing it themselves, which means the Dems in the government now have a way of regulating speech without being in violation of the 1st Amendment. Just tell their buddies running the social media businesses what speech to take down.
    Yes. That is how politics works. What point are we missing here?

    First amendment doesn't apply to social media platforms. That is why it's prime for political manipulation. And there's nothing wrong with it because you guys knowingly have the rules that allow this shit to exist, and the first amendment is there to serve as a loophole to allow this to exist. That social media is so widespread and ingrained in society is not the fault of the government, while manipulating it indirectly is exactly how the government and political parties work anyways. For literally anything. As long as loop holes exist, it's all game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbit View Post
    They cant. The key is esg - its a social credit system that affects a companies credit rating and rewards you for promoting the right opinion. They have no choice how they wish to behave in terms of politics if they wish to keep a high rating and ensure their survival.
    Depends on the company, depends on the message.

    If you're talking about appealing to social justice overall, then I agree. But overall, these companies still choose what they wish to support, and do not have to be shy about it. Look at Chick-fil-A. Despite all the negativity surrounding their choice to promote right wing politics (donations to anti-gay charities) it's still the 3rd largest fast food chain in the US.

    And yes, Chick-fil-A has changed their stance, but the point being that all the criticism and negativite press they garnered didn't actually hurt their business all that much

    https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/5...obia-dan-cathy
    "Boycotts and negative press haven’t exactly been bad for business, but the company is still changing its giving approach."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    You would be wrong. But what I say is what is starting to happen in the US as all media is increaingbly controlled by Dem donors and party members The Dems can now effectively have speech regulated in this country by having their donors running the media do it for them.
    Re: Facebook and Zuckerman

    He's hardly a liberal Democrat. I can guarantee you that if we go check the donations to political parties in the U.S. Zuckerman donates the max amount to both of them @jack over at Twitter has his own thing going which is a sort of libertarian approach to the platform which only gets you into problems if you break their very few rules.

    I understand that conservatives bitch a lot about how they are treated on social media platforms but at least in my observation they more regularly break site rules more than anyone else. It's only gotten worse now that that end of the political spectrum has slipped into a shadowy world where history can be changed, facts have no meaning and reality is a flexible concept. You don't need to look very far to see it. Not far at all <looking around>.

    As for other forms of media Fox News still dominates over CNN and MSNBC so I don't really get how media is being run by Democrats. Same is really true of most newspapers. The very few that aren't owned by conglomerates are small and tend to be more conservative.

    The Washington Post and New York Times sit outside of that a little bit but even there they bend over backwards to be more fair to Republicans than they need to. Witness the reluctance to use the word 'lie' with respect to the last President.

    I don't think your case really holds any water. The same is pretty much true for this business with Blizzard. Instantly politicized into "They're nothing but communists and socialists" on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Re: Facebook and Zuckerman

    He's hardly a liberal Democrat. I can guarantee you that if we go check the donations to political parties in the U.S. Zuckerman donates the max amount to both of them @jack over at Twitter has his own thing going which is a sort of libertarian approach to the platform which only gets you into problems if you break their very few rules.

    I understand that conservatives bitch a lot about how they are treated on social media platforms but at least in my observation they more regularly break site rules more than anyone else. It's only gotten worse now that that end of the political spectrum has slipped into a shadowy world where history can be changed, facts have no meaning and reality is a flexible concept. You don't need to look very far to see it. Not far at all <looking around>.
    Your signature should be the only explanation the person you're responding to needs.

    We live in a moment where everything immediately seems to default to outrage. There’s a kind of M.O. of either it’s exactly how I see it, or you’re my enemy.

  20. #560
    As much as I love watching Ghostcrawler squirm, it's pretty obvious that the keyboard warriors are trying to get him cancelled for something that happened 10 years ago.

    Just can't support that kind of cowardice, no matter who the target is.

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