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  1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    No they absolutely would not have. They just wouldn't say anything because they weren't allowed.

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    Using being abused as an excuse to be a jerk to others is the definition of toxic. Furthermore, I've dealt with plenty of people like that guy in the past. They are victim blamers and will lie to try and prove that their comments can't be countered because "Yeah that happened to me too."
    He didn't use it as an excuse, you claimed you were and then he said he was too. That's called a conversation. People react differently to things that happened to them.
    There are also people who claim X happened them in order to feel connected to what ever big topic is going or because they empathize with the victims or what ever and figure having more "victims" come forward will help get justice for the real victims. Then theres also the people that lie to try and get cash or what ever out of major events. All those people end up hurting people in the long run even if one of the types might have good intentions.

    If you wanna take the moral highroad then there can't be any exceptions. Don't deny their possible truths. Call out their other bullshit.

  2. #582
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    Quote Originally Posted by World Peace View Post
    The further to one side someone goes, the further left/right the center looks. People abandon rationality and discourse in favor of belonging to the 'correct' group.
    I try not to pay too much attention to the dichotomy because everybody wants to act stupid these days

  3. #583
    Quote Originally Posted by Crazozourus View Post
    I hope victims get justice and huge financial compensation (that will hit Bobby) but quitting WoW or boycotting other games because of current situation makes no sense. I don't see people stop using Amazon, Apple and other way worst companies or throwing away all their tech because the chipsets were made in the Foxconn City, and what's happening in that place makes ActiBli$$ looks like Hello Kitty's Garden Party. Quitting WoW is an equivalent of protesting against animal testing and later going to McDonald's for a double cheeseburger.
    I feel most people that quit WoW are just sick and tired of everything they have become. I agree that quitting over this is kind of shortsighted but a lot of people and a surprising amount of streamers are just sick of the direction it is headed, myself included, first BFA and now Shadowlands. I think now it's a "okay, this is just too much at this point, I'm done".

  4. #584
    This is going to go on and on for years and years as it works through the system.
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  5. #585
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Oh absolutely. Very very often I've noticed that people who trivialize cases like this are typically the kind of people that sexually harass their coworkers or are predators themselves. There's so many people on these forums basically getting mad they can't make sex jokes, rape jokes, or other disgusting kinds of jokes. Because how dare they be held accountable for their toxicity!
    Guys. Lets not overreact.
    It seems that nowadays everyone is psycho for saying a sex joke.

    I'm 44 years old and I work since I'm 17. I have never witness sexual harassement at work.
    It is a really small minority of people that sexual harass other people.
    Maybe it happens more often in some groups. I have no expertize in the field so, I dont know.

    One thing I know. People can be funny, and be respectfull when it matters.

    In my job there are like 55 ladys and 8 gentlemans.
    People say any kind of jokes all the time. Some are sexual jokes, among many others.

    People... Just be civil ffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauzhi View Post
    Guys. Lets not overreact.
    It seems that nowadays everyone is psycho for saying a sex joke.
    Sex jokes on their own are fine by me.

    That said, they have become inappropriate in an office environment or at corporate functions, even conventions. Maybe employment is better for that, maybe not. I tend to think it is better if only because it's so easy for that sort of thing to get out of hand. Most of my work has been in professional IT shops and the norms in many of them have changed a lot over the last 10 years or so.
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  7. #587
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolvarg View Post
    I would say it extends beyond politics. Nearly any topic nowadays gets broken into 2 sides and turned into a false dillema, and if you're not in either side you are disliked by both.

    Don't know if it's more prevalent in US vs Europeans, but you can see it online every day in things as meaningless as discussions about the state of the game here, where you're either defending or attacking Blizzard, and if you disagree with anyone in either of those positions they immediately assume you are from the "other team" and that you fully defend everything that "side" defends.
    Which I find esepcially hillarious because its usually the people that want to break all forms of binaries that literally turn every argument or political stance into a pure black or white/right or wrong binary with no space in between.

  8. #588
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolvarg View Post
    I would say it extends beyond politics. Nearly any topic nowadays gets broken into 2 sides and turned into a false dillema, and if you're not in either side you are disliked by both.

    Don't know if it's more prevalent in US vs Europeans, but you can see it online every day in things as meaningless as discussions about the state of the game here, where you're either defending or attacking Blizzard, and if you disagree with anyone in either of those positions they immediately assume you are from the "other team" and that you fully defend everything that "side" defends.
    From a strictly political point of view, few countries have the partisan divide that the US enjoys. Coalition governments and generally more smeared political allegiances are commonplace elsewhere, but whether or not that makes for a more effective form of governance is a matter for debate. As for gaming and culture war wedge issues in particular; yes, I agree with you. Exhausting, isn't it?

  9. #589
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Sex jokes on their own are fine by me.

    That said, they have become inappropriate in an office environment or at corporate functions, even conventions. Maybe employment is better for that, maybe not. I tend to think it is better if only because it's so easy for that sort of thing to get out of hand. Most of my work has been in professional IT shops and the norms in many of them have changed a lot over the last 10 years or so.
    This just has to be the standard moving forward. Zero-tolerance.
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    Drag them all out and expose. Woo!

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    The whole Cosby thing is so funny. These pictures have been online for years and nobody cared. They were taken before the world knew that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist. This is nothing but a hit job.
    Why is Kotaku not releasing all the other pictures that they have? Because that wouldn’t fit the narrative that they are trying to create. It’s disgusting.Don’t fall for it.

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  13. #593
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Cosby was a lovable TV dad before 2014 to most people. This was 2013. It’s not hard to imagine at all.
    Ooof, incorrect. 2005 - 2006 he was already all over the news, including People Magazine article, etc, about the allegations, settlements, etc. THATS when he stopped being America's dad, not 2014.

    With some quick online searching, you can find multiple timelines / articles that confirm this. So in 2013, to say that Cosby was a "Sweater" reference, is absolute BS.

  14. #594
    Demanding worker control over hiring practices, HR and "other company processes," and making everyone's pay rate public; these are socialist demands.

  15. #595
    Quote Originally Posted by AriochIV View Post
    Demanding worker control over hiring practices, HR and "other company processes," and making everyone's pay rate public; these are socialist demands.
    good, about time workers started demanding better treatment.

  16. #596
    Quote Originally Posted by FatalSwoop View Post
    Ooof, incorrect. 2005 - 2006 he was already all over the news, including People Magazine article, etc, about the allegations, settlements, etc. THATS when he stopped being America's dad, not 2014.

    With some quick online searching, you can find multiple timelines / articles that confirm this. So in 2013, to say that Cosby was a "Sweater" reference, is absolute BS.
    Nice burner. It's pure conjecture. You'll believe what you want to believe, but unless Afrasiabi and the gang come out and say it was a reference to Cosby's sordid activities, you'll never know. Right now there's enough deniability and evidence to the contrary to support it being a hilariously poor-timed coincidence.

    The OMG COSBY RAPE SUITE conversation is a distraction from the ongoing, demonstrably valid issue facing the company today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatalSwoop View Post
    Ooof, incorrect. 2005 - 2006 he was already all over the news, including People Magazine article, etc, about the allegations, settlements, etc. THATS when he stopped being America's dad, not 2014.

    With some quick online searching, you can find multiple timelines / articles that confirm this. So in 2013, to say that Cosby was a "Sweater" reference, is absolute BS.
    Oof incorrect, the story didnt blow up until 2014. MOST people learned about it at that time, thats why it..... blew up. lmfao in 2013 cosby was doing shows, making appearances, giving talks. all of it. he was not cancelled. most people had no idea.

  18. #598
    The more I hear about the Blizzard lawsuit the more I think this is just a power play. And, I have to say it, I think that when...not if...Blizz caves in it will truly be the end of WoW...maybe I really should start looking into Brave New World.
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  19. #599
    Quote Originally Posted by Masser View Post
    The whole Cosby thing is so funny. These pictures have been online for years and nobody cared. They were taken before the world knew that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist. This is nothing but a hit job.
    Why is Kotaku not releasing all the other pictures that they have? Because that wouldn’t fit the narrative that they are trying to create. It’s disgusting.Don’t fall for it.
    What difference does it make? The existence of the Cosby Suite is pointless either way.

    It makes no difference to the confirmation that sexual harassment was an issue at Blizzard and it's something that needs to be sorted.

    Genuine question. What is the downside of ensuring a more positive workplace? That's the ultimate goal.

  20. #600
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    YOu missed my point entirely and I do know about the 1st Amendment. My point is that the Democrats can't regulate speech themselves, so they have Twitter and Facebook do it for them. The founders of both are heavy donators to the Dems, so they will take down speech the Dems tell them too. Since it is Twitter and Facebook doing it, no first amendment violation. Dems now have the power to regulate speech and silence anyone who disagrees with them, hence a work around the 1st Amendment.
    My favorite conspiracy about Democrats is assuming they have the competence, let alone the willpower, to actually accomplish any of the things conservatives are scared of.
    A better way to think about Casual v Hardcore: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...asual-Hardcore

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